Murut Swords

Dajak · 15th October 2006, 05:31 PM

It is because with the 3 points it was to big to hold in the Hand

The problem whit this there is very little writing on this weapon

Shelford did tell about this in an artikel that was presented in 1901 that the shape off the handle maybe compared whit the Y schaped handle off stag horn of the Mahakkam river parang ilang

I also look when anyone has a book off this subject let me know.

I think first style was like my avater than came
the fork style just because more easy to make.

(but don t now it for sure there is also another style off handle used by the Muruts)

VVV · 15th October 2006, 06:47 PM

Very nice,

I thought you were "full" after you got the latest Pakayun?

Michael

Dajak · 15th October 2006, 08:06 PM

Hi Michael I did found some open spot and the last one was so nice that it make me start again looking for them.

CharlesS · 16th October 2006, 02:28 AM

Magnificent collention Benny. Thanks for sharing.

...now if you want to sell any....I am only collecting Indo Malay swords these days. No more kerises for me.

Bill M · 16th October 2006, 06:27 AM

Very nice collection, Ben. Thanks for posting.

I would appreciate comments on mine.

Dajak · 16th October 2006, 08:30 AM

Hi Bill thanks for sending the pics I think this is an later type off pakayun the wooden handle is to long the brass piece too short the blade looks good.
Is it laminated the blade ???

It is different what we see on the old pakayuns also the scabbard different has no carving on it.

I have not see this type off pakayun at any pics off muruts nore in any book
so that is why I say it must be an later type .
But the blade might be from an old pakayun so might also be a new repair to an old blade.

You find these short brass collars on the other type off murut swords
but their blade are not so long.

Bill M · 16th October 2006, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi Bill thanks for sending the pics I think this is an later type off pakayun the wooden handle is to long the brass piece too short the blade looks good.
Is it laminated the blade ???

It is different what we see on the old pakayuns also the scabbard different has no carving on it.

I have not see this type off pakayun at any pics off muruts nore in any book
so that is why I say it must be an later type .
But the blade might be from an old pakayun so might also be a new repair to an old blade.

You find these short brass collars on the other type off murut swords
but their blade are not so long.

Benny,

Thank you for your well thought out reply. I am unfamilair with these pieces, but like ithe patina on the handle.

I value your opinion because I know that you have been collecting in these areas for about 30 years and studied them well! I would call you an expert! And a nice guy!

The blade does seem to be laminated. It is also quite thick and heavy. A few nicks, but overall good condition.

Can you tell me more about what does "later" mean? Any idea of what year?

I can see that the handles on yours are shorter. Could this have been made for a larger person? My blade length is about 30 inches (76.2 cm) and the handle is about 6" (15.24 cm).

The workmanship seems solid.

Looking forward to visiting you in the Netherlands!

15th October 2006, 05:31 PM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	It is because with the 3 points it was to big to hold in the Hand The problem whit this there is very little writing on this weapon Shelford did tell about this in an artikel that was presented in 1901 that the shape off the handle maybe compared whit the Y schaped handle off stag horn of the Mahakkam river parang ilang I also look when anyone has a book off this subject let me know. I think first style was like my avater than came the fork style just because more easy to make. (but don t now it for sure there is also another style off handle used by the Muruts) Last edited by Dajak; 15th October 2006 at 05:43 PM.

16th October 2006, 06:27 AM	#5
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Very nice collection, Ben. Thanks for posting. I would appreciate comments on mine. Attached Images Last edited by Bill Marsh; 16th October 2006 at 07:16 AM. Reason: add pictures

16th October 2006, 08:30 AM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Bill thanks for sending the pics I think this is an later type off pakayun the wooden handle is to long the brass piece too short the blade looks good. Is it laminated the blade ??? It is different what we see on the old pakayuns also the scabbard different has no carving on it. I have not see this type off pakayun at any pics off muruts nore in any book so that is why I say it must be an later type . But the blade might be from an old pakayun so might also be a new repair to an old blade. You find these short brass collars on the other type off murut swords but their blade are not so long. Attached Images

15th October 2006, 06:47 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Very nice, I thought you were "full" after you got the latest Pakayun? Michael

15th October 2006, 08:06 PM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael I did found some open spot and the last one was so nice that it make me start again looking for them.

16th October 2006, 02:28 AM	#4
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Magnificent collention Benny. Thanks for sharing. ...now if you want to sell any....I am only collecting Indo Malay swords these days. No more kerises for me.