What are these ?

fenlander · 10th October 2006, 01:58 PM

I sent a pm to Phillip. Thank for the help.

fenlander · 10th October 2006, 11:39 PM

Hi

I actually in the end find out by myself what it is through a book. It is either a genuine or a copy of an early dynasty brass chariot sword. I guess it is a later re-make but then again you never know. I will take it to the Chinese palace museum to let them see if it is origical or a re-make, i guess a re-make but jsut a small chance it is original, that would make it over a thousand years old! But hardly likely. Still at least i know its function now

Ian · 16th October 2006, 05:25 PM

Hi fenladner:

Any further news on the Chinese sword. Did you happen to contact Scott or Philip?

Ian.

fenlander · 17th October 2006, 09:34 AM

Hi Ian

Thanks for the help.
Actually dissapointingly none of them contacted me. However the good news is that I have found out what the Chinese sword is. It is either a replica or genuine Shang dynasty chariot sword. As I live in Taiwan it was not to hard to find out. It is exactly the same as a Shang dynsasty chariot sword in one of the museums here. I think however it is a copy but will take it to the museum to get checked out, as it could be a very old copy of the original, or even the original. I suspect however it is a copy but around a 100 years old. At the end of the week I will be going to the museum to confirm. I will keep you posted.

Thanks
Douglas
p.s.
It was actually good they did not contact me as I had to do my own research, this has given me much more knowledge than I would of gained by simply someone telling me what it was.

Ian · 17th October 2006, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenlander

Hi Ian

Thanks for the help.
Actually dissapointingly none of them contacted me. However the good news is that I have found out what the Chinese sword is. It is either a replica or genuine Shang dynasty chariot sword. As I live in Taiwan it was not to hard to find out. It is exactly the same as a Shang dynsasty chariot sword in one of the museums here. I think however it is a copy but will take it to the museum to get checked out, as it could be a very old copy of the original, or even the original. I suspect however it is a copy but around a 100 years old. At the end of the week I will be going to the museum to confirm. I will keep you posted.

Thanks
Douglas
p.s.
It was actually good they did not contact me as I had to do my own research, this has given me much more knowledge than I would of gained by simply someone telling me what it was.

Hi Douglas:

As I'm sure you know already, there are many fakes/replicas of Chinese bronze swords around. This one does seem to have more age than many that we see on eBay. Possibly an earlier reproduction.

If it is the real thing, would you have to surrender it to the Government? I don't know the laws in Taiwan concerning Chinese antiquities, but I understand if it was real the (mainland) Chinese Government would not let it leave the country.

Ian.

fenlander · 17th October 2006, 03:08 PM

Hi Ian

Actually in Taiwan it is far more complicated. It was actually bought in China not Taiwan so it is very complicated. Although Taiwan is still a part of China (that is all under debate as you know of course). However I have been hesitating to take it to the museum for that reason (national palace museum). But as I am now fairly sure that it is a reproduction, (but I think a far earlier one than the norm) I am not so worried. One thing about Taiwan is that the law is very flexible depending how they get up in the morning or if the enforcer of the law has just had an argument with his wife. It is very flexible depending on who is enforcing it, and every department always sends you to another department.
I'll go to the museum on Friday.

regards
Douglas

Mark · 17th October 2006, 10:34 PM

There is a man in Taiwan who has an amazing collection of Chinese bronze swords, C.H. Wang. When I was visiting Longquan last winter, I got a look at a copy of a book/catalogue he wrote, which is absolutely gorgeous:

Wang, C.H. with Li Xueqin, Yang Hong, & Ma Chengyuan. Shang and Zhou Chinese Bronze Weaponry: The C.H. Wang Collection. Published by the Author, Taipei, Taiwan 1993.

Anyway, he might be an "unofficial" source that might help you confirm the age of that sword.

10th October 2006, 01:58 PM	#1
fenlander Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 62	Thanks I sent a pm to Phillip. Thank for the help.

10th October 2006, 11:39 PM	#2
fenlander Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 62	fenlander Hi I actually in the end find out by myself what it is through a book. It is either a genuine or a copy of an early dynasty brass chariot sword. I guess it is a later re-make but then again you never know. I will take it to the Chinese palace museum to let them see if it is origical or a re-make, i guess a re-make but jsut a small chance it is original, that would make it over a thousand years old! But hardly likely. Still at least i know its function now

17th October 2006, 09:34 AM	#4
fenlander Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 62	Hi Ian Hi Ian Thanks for the help. Actually dissapointingly none of them contacted me. However the good news is that I have found out what the Chinese sword is. It is either a replica or genuine Shang dynasty chariot sword. As I live in Taiwan it was not to hard to find out. It is exactly the same as a Shang dynsasty chariot sword in one of the museums here. I think however it is a copy but will take it to the museum to get checked out, as it could be a very old copy of the original, or even the original. I suspect however it is a copy but around a 100 years old. At the end of the week I will be going to the museum to confirm. I will keep you posted. Thanks Douglas p.s. It was actually good they did not contact me as I had to do my own research, this has given me much more knowledge than I would of gained by simply someone telling me what it was.

17th October 2006, 03:08 PM	#6
fenlander Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 62	surrender Hi Ian Actually in Taiwan it is far more complicated. It was actually bought in China not Taiwan so it is very complicated. Although Taiwan is still a part of China (that is all under debate as you know of course). However I have been hesitating to take it to the museum for that reason (national palace museum). But as I am now fairly sure that it is a reproduction, (but I think a far earlier one than the norm) I am not so worried. One thing about Taiwan is that the law is very flexible depending how they get up in the morning or if the enforcer of the law has just had an argument with his wife. It is very flexible depending on who is enforcing it, and every department always sends you to another department. I'll go to the museum on Friday. regards Douglas

16th October 2006, 05:25 PM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,362	Hi fenladner: Any further news on the Chinese sword. Did you happen to contact Scott or Philip? Ian.

17th October 2006, 10:34 PM	#7
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	There is a man in Taiwan who has an amazing collection of Chinese bronze swords, C.H. Wang. When I was visiting Longquan last winter, I got a look at a copy of a book/catalogue he wrote, which is absolutely gorgeous: Wang, C.H. with Li Xueqin, Yang Hong, & Ma Chengyuan. Shang and Zhou Chinese Bronze Weaponry: The C.H. Wang Collection. Published by the Author, Taipei, Taiwan 1993. Anyway, he might be an "unofficial" source that might help you confirm the age of that sword.