Man with a dha ?

PUFF · 9th October 2006, 07:18 AM

From the dressing and the text, I would say Burma too.

RhysMichael · 9th October 2006, 11:41 AM

Thanks to you both

Andrew · 9th October 2006, 01:28 PM

Very interesting stuff. The text looks arabic to me. If it is, could one of our members translate it for us?

Any comments on the sword itself, guys? If presented by itself, I'd say it looked Siamese.

PUFF · 9th October 2006, 01:57 PM

Oh, you are right. The text is more like Arabic

not burmese one.

I agree with you that the blade has long upwarding hilt with small round pommel. They are somewhat similar to Siam's. But many dressing components (skirt, chinese shoes) just not right.

Andrew · 9th October 2006, 03:33 PM

Hi Puff. I wonder if this drawing was made by an Arab artist (non-SEA, in any event). That would explain the writing and possible combination of Burmese dress with a Siamese sword.

RhysMichael · 10th October 2006, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

Any comments on the sword itself, guys? If presented by itself, I'd say it looked Siamese.

I was thinking the sword looked Siamese also Andrew. But I had no idea on the outfit

Mark · 16th October 2006, 10:43 PM

I think it is depicting a Burman, though by whom it was drawn is another question. The length of the handle and shape of the pommel do suggest Thai (specifically, Rattanakosin Period), but the lacquered or dark wood scabbard with metal bands suggests more a Tai Shan style. Maybe the guy just happened to be holding a Thai daab he picked up after a battle?

The sword is fairly simplified and a bit stylized, so I think, overall, it is supposed to be a Burman and the sword handle is just artistic interpretation.

Here is my miniature (marionette) version of the same guy:

cozun · 29th October 2006, 06:45 PM

To my opinion, although very curved on the illustration, the handle and scabbard look more Khmer/Cambodian in style to my eyes.

It's just a thought, an indication, of course I might be wrong.

Serge.

Ian · 29th October 2006, 06:57 PM

I've refrained from responding to this thread for some time because I really have nothing definite to say. The dress of the warrior looks Burmese but the dha does not, at least not a typical Burmese sword that we associate with the 19th C.

The long curved handle suggests a Thai darb of roughly the 19th C. (Rattanakosin period), but Cambodian is also a possibility although it does not strike me as particularly Cambodian either given the apparent overall curvature of hilt and blade.

Perhaps there has been a certain amount of artistic license in depicting the man and his sword, or perhaps it was not painted from life but from a picture of the man and a sword inserted that happened to be around. Not the first time that occurred.

Enigmatic little portrait.

Ian.

16th October 2006, 10:43 PM	#7
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I think it is depicting a Burman, though by whom it was drawn is another question. The length of the handle and shape of the pommel do suggest Thai (specifically, Rattanakosin Period), but the lacquered or dark wood scabbard with metal bands suggests more a Tai Shan style. Maybe the guy just happened to be holding a Thai daab he picked up after a battle? The sword is fairly simplified and a bit stylized, so I think, overall, it is supposed to be a Burman and the sword handle is just artistic interpretation. Here is my miniature (marionette) version of the same guy: Last edited by Mark; 5th March 2007 at 05:57 PM.

29th October 2006, 06:45 PM	#8
cozun Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ayutthaya - Thailand - most of the time that is. Posts: 7	May be from another country To my opinion, although very curved on the illustration, the handle and scabbard look more Khmer/Cambodian in style to my eyes. It's just a thought, an indication, of course I might be wrong. Serge.

29th October 2006, 06:57 PM	#9
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,363	Don't know ... I've refrained from responding to this thread for some time because I really have nothing definite to say. The dress of the warrior looks Burmese but the dha does not, at least not a typical Burmese sword that we associate with the 19th C. The long curved handle suggests a Thai darb of roughly the 19th C. (Rattanakosin period), but Cambodian is also a possibility although it does not strike me as particularly Cambodian either given the apparent overall curvature of hilt and blade. Perhaps there has been a certain amount of artistic license in depicting the man and his sword, or perhaps it was not painted from life but from a picture of the man and a sword inserted that happened to be around. Not the first time that occurred. Enigmatic little portrait. Ian.

9th October 2006, 07:18 AM	#1
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	From the dressing and the text, I would say Burma too.

9th October 2006, 11:41 AM	#2
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Thanks to you both

9th October 2006, 01:28 PM	#3
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Very interesting stuff. The text looks arabic to me. If it is, could one of our members translate it for us? Any comments on the sword itself, guys? If presented by itself, I'd say it looked Siamese.

9th October 2006, 01:57 PM	#4
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	Oh, you are right. The text is more like Arabic not burmese one. I agree with you that the blade has long upwarding hilt with small round pommel. They are somewhat similar to Siam's. But many dressing components (skirt, chinese shoes) just not right.

9th October 2006, 03:33 PM	#5
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Hi Puff. I wonder if this drawing was made by an Arab artist (non-SEA, in any event). That would explain the writing and possible combination of Burmese dress with a Siamese sword.