Yatagan questions

Zifir · 4th October 2006, 04:25 PM

The second line in the first gold inscription still escapes me. But I have the translation for the second gold inscription. This time I got a little assistance from a friend who has more literary taste than I do. So you won't be exposed to my terribble translation for once

Ey gönül bir can içün her cana zillet eyleme
İşret-i dünya içün sultana zillet eyleme

Do not hold oh heart all the lives in contempt just for a life
Do not abase the sultan for the pleasures of mundane life

Spunjer · 30th November 2006, 02:07 PM

i'm pretty sure this is wootz, but i could be wrong. my blade lamination knowledge stops at filo weapons...

ariel · 30th November 2006, 04:04 PM

Very interesting.
We usually have a knee-jerk reaction of calling every wootz blade "Persian" or "Indian" as if the knowledge how to make wootz was limited to these 2 countries.
But here are Yataghan blades, typical Ottoman weapon and ... made of wootz.
Were there Persian/Indian masters in Turkey? Do we need to postulate their existence at all?
I guess there were enough Turkish, Caucasian and Balkan masters who knew how to make wootz blades.

Battara · 1st December 2006, 07:20 PM

I would say this looks like Persian wootz. Turkish wootz is so faint it is hard to see (unless it is a well etched Turkish wootz).

Lucky jerk!

30th November 2006, 02:07 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	i'm pretty sure this is wootz, but i could be wrong. my blade lamination knowledge stops at filo weapons... Attached Images

4th October 2006, 04:25 PM	#1
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	The second line in the first gold inscription still escapes me. But I have the translation for the second gold inscription. This time I got a little assistance from a friend who has more literary taste than I do. So you won't be exposed to my terribble translation for once Ey gönül bir can içün her cana zillet eyleme İşret-i dünya içün sultana zillet eyleme Do not hold oh heart all the lives in contempt just for a life Do not abase the sultan for the pleasures of mundane life

30th November 2006, 04:04 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Very interesting. We usually have a knee-jerk reaction of calling every wootz blade "Persian" or "Indian" as if the knowledge how to make wootz was limited to these 2 countries. But here are Yataghan blades, typical Ottoman weapon and ... made of wootz. Were there Persian/Indian masters in Turkey? Do we need to postulate their existence at all? I guess there were enough Turkish, Caucasian and Balkan masters who knew how to make wootz blades.

1st December 2006, 07:20 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	I would say this looks like Persian wootz. Turkish wootz is so faint it is hard to see (unless it is a well etched Turkish wootz). Lucky jerk!