Keris Banjarmasin

Naga Sasra · 13th September 2006, 10:21 PM

VVV
You asked for other Banjarmasin pieces, the attached piece reflect a handle and dress that could be considered typical for the culture. (If there is such a thing as typical)

VVV · 14th September 2006, 07:59 AM

Thanks!

That's a nice one.
Do you have a picture of the hilt that shows "the face of the Garuda"?

Michael

Naga Sasra · 14th September 2006, 01:55 PM

Michael.
Attached please find the photos you requested

VVV · 14th September 2006, 02:42 PM

Thanks!

It looks the same style as BluErf's Banjarmasin hilt, as well as my Sumbawa hilt. More obvious Garuda than the fairly abstract Kerdas hilt.
Triangular beak, eyes and crown. He is even holding the Amrita vessel, with the nectar of immortality that Garuda took from the Nagas, at the chest.
I wonder why the Banjarmasin hilts doesn't seem to hide the Garuda origin as much as the Bugis hilts?

Michael

BluErf · 16th September 2006, 02:23 AM

Banjarmasin hilts - i.e. those covered with intan-intan (rough cut diamonds) - are made into all sorts of hilt forms, such as the 7-planar Javanese type, the Jawa demam type and the kerdas type shown here. This is not surprising, in my opinion, given that Banjarmasin sits at a confluence of cultures and along established intra-archipelago trade routes.

I have seen a Banjarmasin hilt on a South Sumatran keris, sourced from Sumatra. Coupled with the East Javanese keris (judging from the sheath) that Michael has above, I think there could be a case of Banjarmasin hilts made for export. Hence, the availability of hilts made to various forms.

I agree that the more distinctive Banjarmasin keris sheath is that gayaman-alike style with rounded daun-daun tips, like that posted by Naga Sasra. Sometimes, the hilt may be normal wooden ones, in jawa demam form, covered in geometrical motifs.

On the Bugis-style pistol-grip Banjarmasin hilts, I thought they are more heavily decorated because of stylistic preferences, just like Minang Kabau jawa demam hilts are more heavily carved compared to Riau and S. Malayan jawa demam hilts. The kerdas hilt is most likely an evolved form of the jawa demam. If the jawa demam is an abstract garuda, then the kerdas hilt would also be an abstract garuda. The Banjarmasin hilt is probably more of a case of floral motif evolution than a return to the recognition that the kerdas hilt is garuda, I thought. This is a topic for a separate discussion though.

Marcokeris · 16th September 2006, 11:01 AM

Another Banjarmasin hit is bronze rakshasa (demon). In my opinion this hit is very difficult to find. I saw this handle only one time in my life and i was really a fool not to buy it. In some books (Hulu keris, Traditional weapon of Indonesia, a Martin Kerner's book...) is possible to see this hilt.
Here i put two photos of popular handles.

VVV · 17th September 2006, 01:46 PM

Marcokeris,

Maybe I misunderstood you but I can't find any Banjarmasin Raksasa hilt in those books? Could you please let us know which page?
I have never seen any Banjarmasin hilt of a Raksasa so I am quite curious on what it looks like.

BluErf,

If not Garuda, what else could it be in this specific case?
But you are right that it is a topic for a separate discussion.

Michael

13th September 2006, 10:21 PM	#1
Naga Sasra Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Boca Raton, Florida, USA Posts: 108	More Banjarmasin VVV You asked for other Banjarmasin pieces, the attached piece reflect a handle and dress that could be considered typical for the culture. (If there is such a thing as typical) Attached Images

14th September 2006, 01:55 PM	#3
Naga Sasra Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Boca Raton, Florida, USA Posts: 108	Face coming up Michael. Attached please find the photos you requested Attached Images

16th September 2006, 02:23 AM	#5
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Banjarmasin hilts - i.e. those covered with intan-intan (rough cut diamonds) - are made into all sorts of hilt forms, such as the 7-planar Javanese type, the Jawa demam type and the kerdas type shown here. This is not surprising, in my opinion, given that Banjarmasin sits at a confluence of cultures and along established intra-archipelago trade routes. I have seen a Banjarmasin hilt on a South Sumatran keris, sourced from Sumatra. Coupled with the East Javanese keris (judging from the sheath) that Michael has above, I think there could be a case of Banjarmasin hilts made for export. Hence, the availability of hilts made to various forms. I agree that the more distinctive Banjarmasin keris sheath is that gayaman-alike style with rounded daun-daun tips, like that posted by Naga Sasra. Sometimes, the hilt may be normal wooden ones, in jawa demam form, covered in geometrical motifs. On the Bugis-style pistol-grip Banjarmasin hilts, I thought they are more heavily decorated because of stylistic preferences, just like Minang Kabau jawa demam hilts are more heavily carved compared to Riau and S. Malayan jawa demam hilts. The kerdas hilt is most likely an evolved form of the jawa demam. If the jawa demam is an abstract garuda, then the kerdas hilt would also be an abstract garuda. The Banjarmasin hilt is probably more of a case of floral motif evolution than a return to the recognition that the kerdas hilt is garuda, I thought. This is a topic for a separate discussion though. Last edited by BluErf; 16th September 2006 at 02:33 AM. Reason: Misread the meaning of some posts I'm responding to.

16th September 2006, 11:01 AM	#6
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Another Banjarmasin hit is bronze rakshasa (demon). In my opinion this hit is very difficult to find. I saw this handle only one time in my life and i was really a fool not to buy it. In some books (Hulu keris, Traditional weapon of Indonesia, a Martin Kerner's book...) is possible to see this hilt. Here i put two photos of popular handles. Attached Images

14th September 2006, 07:59 AM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks! That's a nice one. Do you have a picture of the hilt that shows "the face of the Garuda"? Michael

14th September 2006, 02:42 PM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks! It looks the same style as BluErf's Banjarmasin hilt, as well as my Sumbawa hilt. More obvious Garuda than the fairly abstract Kerdas hilt. Triangular beak, eyes and crown. He is even holding the Amrita vessel, with the nectar of immortality that Garuda took from the Nagas, at the chest. I wonder why the Banjarmasin hilts doesn't seem to hide the Garuda origin as much as the Bugis hilts? Michael

17th September 2006, 01:46 PM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Marcokeris, Maybe I misunderstood you but I can't find any Banjarmasin Raksasa hilt in those books? Could you please let us know which page? I have never seen any Banjarmasin hilt of a Raksasa so I am quite curious on what it looks like. BluErf, If not Garuda, what else could it be in this specific case? But you are right that it is a topic for a separate discussion. Michael