steel and iron weaponry of the american natives.........

ausjulius · 11th September 2006, 05:22 AM

hi "Tlingit" might be it...... anyway i remember the swords were quitly complicated... at the base of the blade where the fullers began the formed a face or pattern , looking quite alot like the pacific islanders tattoos,,, looked like it was forged into the blade....... andway i recall that the writer specualted the origins of the native metal working were russian , or were brought from some parts of siberia or russias far east colonies... which makes sence as the natives in the east all had the ability to work steel,, and were many times froced to work for the russians in the americas

ausjulius · 11th September 2006, 07:04 AM

http://www.alaskanativeartists.com/t...body_armor.htm

seems somebody is making reproductions of theTlingit body armor,.....

Potlatch was the term i remember now....... but none of the Tlingit look as the knives i saw pictures....
if i recall correctly the daggers were more as a kindjal,, and had a secound blade on the pommel, as on some african daggers and swords..
they also had multi fullered blades........

anyone seen anything like this????????? .....

Andrew · 11th September 2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ausjulius

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anyone seen anything like this????????? .....

Yes. Tlingit.

If possible, check out the book I mentioned above.

ausjulius · 11th September 2006, 02:29 PM

thanks i shall.. but there isnt mant book shops around here... ill keep an eye out.....

ausjulius · 11th September 2006, 02:34 PM

yup , thats it , i recognise the knif eon the cover

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n ow makes me wounder where they got the skills to make these with such complicated blades........

tom hyle · 11th September 2006, 05:03 PM

Tlinglits were working copper on their own, as were some people around the Great Lakes area, around the Carribean, and in the Andes. I have heard that in northern N America (current USA and Canada) the mining was primarily or solely in the Great Lakes Region. Tlinglit (etc.; the technology is not unique, AFAIK, to one tribe of the region) daggers tend to be midribbed, and fairly sophisticated in their detailing and finishing, and I've certainly seen iron/steel ones, and had presumed them to be 18th/19th C. Of course, as time and research go on it grows increasingly hard to deny pre-Columbus (etc.) contacts between peoples previously considered as isolated/seperated. "Vikings" in N America are cetainly no longer considered a romantic fiction, and much earlier European incursions are probably well indicated, for instance.
The Tlinglit body armour is remarkably similar to a medieval European armour known as a coat of plates. I'm not suggesting a direct relation; Tlinglits (etc.) are quite far from Europe; near (as pointed out) to Siberia, and these are far from the only two armours to fit in this category of resemblance; form following function, perhaps. Just an interesting comparison, is all.

11th September 2006, 05:22 AM	#1
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 440	hi "Tlingit" might be it...... anyway i remember the swords were quitly complicated... at the base of the blade where the fullers began the formed a face or pattern , looking quite alot like the pacific islanders tattoos,,, looked like it was forged into the blade....... andway i recall that the writer specualted the origins of the native metal working were russian , or were brought from some parts of siberia or russias far east colonies... which makes sence as the natives in the east all had the ability to work steel,, and were many times froced to work for the russians in the americas

11th September 2006, 07:04 AM	#2
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 440	http://www.alaskanativeartists.com/t...body_armor.htm seems somebody is making reproductions of theTlingit body armor,..... Potlatch was the term i remember now....... but none of the Tlingit look as the knives i saw pictures.... if i recall correctly the daggers were more as a kindjal,, and had a secound blade on the pommel, as on some african daggers and swords.. they also had multi fullered blades........ anyone seen anything like this????????? .....

11th September 2006, 02:29 PM	#4
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 440	thanks i shall.. but there isnt mant book shops around here... ill keep an eye out.....

11th September 2006, 02:34 PM	#5
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 440	yup , thats it , i recognise the knif eon the cover ........ n ow makes me wounder where they got the skills to make these with such complicated blades........

11th September 2006, 05:03 PM	#6
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Tlinglits were working copper on their own, as were some people around the Great Lakes area, around the Carribean, and in the Andes. I have heard that in northern N America (current USA and Canada) the mining was primarily or solely in the Great Lakes Region. Tlinglit (etc.; the technology is not unique, AFAIK, to one tribe of the region) daggers tend to be midribbed, and fairly sophisticated in their detailing and finishing, and I've certainly seen iron/steel ones, and had presumed them to be 18th/19th C. Of course, as time and research go on it grows increasingly hard to deny pre-Columbus (etc.) contacts between peoples previously considered as isolated/seperated. "Vikings" in N America are cetainly no longer considered a romantic fiction, and much earlier European incursions are probably well indicated, for instance. The Tlinglit body armour is remarkably similar to a medieval European armour known as a coat of plates. I'm not suggesting a direct relation; Tlinglits (etc.) are quite far from Europe; near (as pointed out) to Siberia, and these are far from the only two armours to fit in this category of resemblance; form following function, perhaps. Just an interesting comparison, is all.