Brass hilted kris for comment

nechesh · 6th February 2005, 05:11 AM

Weta, as far as i know this style of hilt can be found on both Bali and Lombok keris. There is very little if any difference between them as Lombok was a colony of Bali for many years and under it's influence.

Alam Shah · 6th February 2005, 08:02 AM

Balinese influenced kerises includes those from Lombok, Sumbawa and other parts of East Nusa Tenggara. But keris from Lombok and Sumbawa are generally thinner and slightly shorter than kerises from Bali.

Therefore, in my opinion, looking at the blade and danganan, this is a Balinese keris.

wolviex · 7th February 2005, 08:34 PM

Here is a discussion at old forum where you can find (go below the site) a kris hilted very similiar as mine, but with the silver wire and silver plate, not brass. The form of the hilt is almost identical. There you can also an information from BluErf "there were gold examples, but very rarely seen". Unfortunately kris from my museum isn't gold, it isn't even gilt, I think it's just a pure brass

http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002478.html

Regards

Alam Shah · 8th February 2005, 04:57 AM

There are similar pictures of hilts in Kris Gli Invincibili - The Invincible Krises book by Vanna e Mario Ghiringhelli, on page: 31 (brass), 37 (silver), 99 (brass).

Mick · 15th February 2005, 03:37 PM

Wolviex

Your sample is the first I've ever seen with this difficult weaving in brass. Brass is usually used in Bali as the basic material for the figurative handles which are then plated with gold.

Attached is the only example of brass used in a Balinese handle that I have. It is a representative of the same basic grip that you have showed in this topic, but it was so well done that I gathered it up. It originally had only glass stones, but I was impressed enough with the workmanship that I had the glass replaced with real stones. The coloring of the wood in the grip illustrates the less expensive Pelet work compared to the hilt of your other topic.

BluErf · 16th February 2005, 02:11 PM

I think the wire might not be brass, but silver. The pictures seem to vary in tone quite a bit. The handle looks silvery in some, but golden yellow in others.

wolviex · 16th February 2005, 04:03 PM

It's brass for sure. Two pictures are of low colour tones indeed, my fault. But it's brass and it's yellow shining

. somewehere in the middle of this thread I gave a link to the silver one - if you open this, just scroll down.

6th February 2005, 08:02 AM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Balinese influenced kerises includes those from Lombok, Sumbawa and other parts of East Nusa Tenggara. But keris from Lombok and Sumbawa are generally thinner and slightly shorter than kerises from Bali. Therefore, in my opinion, looking at the blade and danganan, this is a Balinese keris. Last edited by Alam Shah; 6th February 2005 at 08:15 AM.

7th February 2005, 08:34 PM	#3
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Link Here is a discussion at old forum where you can find (go below the site) a kris hilted very similiar as mine, but with the silver wire and silver plate, not brass. The form of the hilt is almost identical. There you can also an information from BluErf "there were gold examples, but very rarely seen". Unfortunately kris from my museum isn't gold, it isn't even gilt, I think it's just a pure brass http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002478.html Regards

8th February 2005, 04:57 AM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	References... There are similar pictures of hilts in Kris Gli Invincibili - The Invincible Krises book by Vanna e Mario Ghiringhelli, on page: 31 (brass), 37 (silver), 99 (brass). Last edited by Alam Shah; 8th February 2005 at 05:20 AM.

15th February 2005, 03:37 PM	#5
Mick Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 104	Wolviex Your sample is the first I've ever seen with this difficult weaving in brass. Brass is usually used in Bali as the basic material for the figurative handles which are then plated with gold. Attached is the only example of brass used in a Balinese handle that I have. It is a representative of the same basic grip that you have showed in this topic, but it was so well done that I gathered it up. It originally had only glass stones, but I was impressed enough with the workmanship that I had the glass replaced with real stones. The coloring of the wood in the grip illustrates the less expensive Pelet work compared to the hilt of your other topic. Attached Images

16th February 2005, 04:03 PM	#7
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Brass! It's brass for sure. Two pictures are of low colour tones indeed, my fault. But it's brass and it's yellow shining . somewehere in the middle of this thread I gave a link to the silver one - if you open this, just scroll down.

6th February 2005, 05:11 AM	#1
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Weta, as far as i know this style of hilt can be found on both Bali and Lombok keris. There is very little if any difference between them as Lombok was a colony of Bali for many years and under it's influence.

16th February 2005, 02:11 PM	#6
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I think the wire might not be brass, but silver. The pictures seem to vary in tone quite a bit. The handle looks silvery in some, but golden yellow in others.