Identification of keris hilt

Alam Shah · 6th February 2005, 04:48 AM

nechesh,
That's what confuses me as well. It's not a keris sajen as per se. It hilt looks like a different piece than the blade. The hilt cannot be removed and the blade is a typical keris blade unlike a keris sajen type, which is one piece.

I'll take more pictures and post it here, once the piece is returned after upacara Suro' (traditional javanese cleaning).

Alam Shah · 15th February 2005, 04:04 PM

Attached is the blade for comment...

Alam Shah · 15th February 2005, 04:19 PM

All comments, good or bad are welcomed.

rahman · 16th February 2005, 12:54 AM

Dear Alam Shah

My 2 bits worth from a beginner:

1. The metal in the hilt is different from the blade, so it was not forged as a single piece. See if there are any weld marks where the hilt and the blade meets.

2. What does the inscription say? Quranic or talismanic?

3. The gentle undulations of the luk suggest a Palembang origin?

Alam Shah · 16th February 2005, 07:06 AM

Thanks rahman for your response,
1.) I'll take a closer picture near the hilt. As far as i can see, there are no weld marks.
2.) It's some kind of talismanic characters. I'll let you know what it's meant for later.
3.) Palembang?...

. Interesting.

Alam Shah · 16th February 2005, 03:31 PM

Dear rahman,

The talismanic inscription on one side... (reference from Kitab Aji Mantra Guna), which translated to be "untuk menangkap maling". Accordingly, if a thief stole something from a place which is guarded by this talisman, the person would not be able to find his way out.

The inscription on the other side (reference from Kitab Al-Aufaq), it is to protect the wearer from sihir/sirep ,(a type of spell to lull or put one to sleep) and to prevent the wearer from falling asleep while on guard.
(Insya allah bisawab).

rahman · 16th February 2005, 03:36 PM

Dear Alam Shah

Pls take a look at this: ( edited , sorry Rahman links to active auctions are not allowed. )

See any resemblance to your hilt? I wonder if yours is hollow and the peksi fits into it, rather than being welded to it.

Is the inscription in Jawi or Kawi? Can we see a close-up of the inscription?

This is quite obviously a talisman (tangkal/penangkal). Phew! I thought you have a keris used by dukun/bomoh -- that would be mighty stuff.

6th February 2005, 04:48 AM	#1
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	entire piece identification nechesh, That's what confuses me as well. It's not a keris sajen as per se. It hilt looks like a different piece than the blade. The hilt cannot be removed and the blade is a typical keris blade unlike a keris sajen type, which is one piece. I'll take more pictures and post it here, once the piece is returned after upacara Suro' (traditional javanese cleaning). Last edited by Alam Shah; 6th February 2005 at 01:38 PM.

15th February 2005, 04:04 PM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Picture of the entire blade...for comments Attached is the blade for comment... Attached Images

15th February 2005, 04:19 PM	#3
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Close up... All comments, good or bad are welcomed. Attached Images

16th February 2005, 07:06 AM	#5
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Thanks rahman for your response, 1.) I'll take a closer picture near the hilt. As far as i can see, there are no weld marks. 2.) It's some kind of talismanic characters. I'll let you know what it's meant for later. 3.) Palembang?.... Interesting. Last edited by Alam Shah; 16th February 2005 at 01:54 PM.

16th February 2005, 03:31 PM	#6
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Esoteric use... Dear rahman, The talismanic inscription on one side... (reference from Kitab Aji Mantra Guna), which translated to be "untuk menangkap maling". Accordingly, if a thief stole something from a place which is guarded by this talisman, the person would not be able to find his way out. The inscription on the other side (reference from Kitab Al-Aufaq), it is to protect the wearer from sihir/sirep ,(a type of spell to lull or put one to sleep) and to prevent the wearer from falling asleep while on guard. (Insya allah bisawab).

16th February 2005, 12:54 AM	#4
rahman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 84	Dear Alam Shah My 2 bits worth from a beginner: 1. The metal in the hilt is different from the blade, so it was not forged as a single piece. See if there are any weld marks where the hilt and the blade meets. 2. What does the inscription say? Quranic or talismanic? 3. The gentle undulations of the luk suggest a Palembang origin?

16th February 2005, 03:36 PM	#7
rahman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 84	Dear Alam Shah Pls take a look at this: ( edited , sorry Rahman links to active auctions are not allowed. ) See any resemblance to your hilt? I wonder if yours is hollow and the peksi fits into it, rather than being welded to it. Is the inscription in Jawi or Kawi? Can we see a close-up of the inscription? This is quite obviously a talisman (tangkal/penangkal). Phew! I thought you have a keris used by dukun/bomoh -- that would be mighty stuff. Last edited by Rick; 16th February 2005 at 04:55 PM.