Identification of keris hilt

Sang Keris · 5th February 2005, 01:33 AM

well , i mean

i mean that's the basic model of keris sajen , shahrial...

Mans · 5th February 2005, 02:22 AM

hi dear all,

I look a beautifull keris Sajen was posted in this thread, nice keris. Good sculptures hilt. The Keris Sajen have many kind of carved hilt. But, these have a same type, that is a man.

Like Empu Kumis said, that the story this pieces has been used for the ceremony of "bersih Desa" or for offerings could not be verified. So that, the keris like this is not for Talisman. It just a prerequirement for the ceremonny. So that many smith in every period of kingdom was producted this keris, in fact, still production by now.
After the ceremonial or event, this keris can be throw away in the river or hide away at wet rice field. The meaning is, keris Sajen can't be called as a Keris Mojopahit or Tangguh Majapahit.

If need to try to know how old the keris like that, we can look an iron and pamor work, so that we can to give them an appraisal for tangguh. But, for the hilt carved, we just can speculation. That is old or new made.

Regards,
Mans
p.s : another kind of Keris Sajen hilt

Alam Shah · 6th February 2005, 04:48 AM

nechesh,
That's what confuses me as well. It's not a keris sajen as per se. It hilt looks like a different piece than the blade. The hilt cannot be removed and the blade is a typical keris blade unlike a keris sajen type, which is one piece.

I'll take more pictures and post it here, once the piece is returned after upacara Suro' (traditional javanese cleaning).

Alam Shah · 15th February 2005, 04:04 PM

Attached is the blade for comment...

Alam Shah · 15th February 2005, 04:19 PM

All comments, good or bad are welcomed.

rahman · 16th February 2005, 12:54 AM

Dear Alam Shah

My 2 bits worth from a beginner:

1. The metal in the hilt is different from the blade, so it was not forged as a single piece. See if there are any weld marks where the hilt and the blade meets.

2. What does the inscription say? Quranic or talismanic?

3. The gentle undulations of the luk suggest a Palembang origin?

Alam Shah · 16th February 2005, 07:06 AM

Thanks rahman for your response,
1.) I'll take a closer picture near the hilt. As far as i can see, there are no weld marks.
2.) It's some kind of talismanic characters. I'll let you know what it's meant for later.
3.) Palembang?...

. Interesting.

5th February 2005, 02:22 AM	#2
Mans Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Java Posts: 137	Keris Sajen hi dear all, I look a beautifull keris Sajen was posted in this thread, nice keris. Good sculptures hilt. The Keris Sajen have many kind of carved hilt. But, these have a same type, that is a man. Like Empu Kumis said, that the story this pieces has been used for the ceremony of "bersih Desa" or for offerings could not be verified. So that, the keris like this is not for Talisman. It just a prerequirement for the ceremonny. So that many smith in every period of kingdom was producted this keris, in fact, still production by now. After the ceremonial or event, this keris can be throw away in the river or hide away at wet rice field. The meaning is, keris Sajen can't be called as a Keris Mojopahit or Tangguh Majapahit. If need to try to know how old the keris like that, we can look an iron and pamor work, so that we can to give them an appraisal for tangguh. But, for the hilt carved, we just can speculation. That is old or new made. Regards, Mans p.s : another kind of Keris Sajen hilt Attached Images

6th February 2005, 04:48 AM	#3
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	entire piece identification nechesh, That's what confuses me as well. It's not a keris sajen as per se. It hilt looks like a different piece than the blade. The hilt cannot be removed and the blade is a typical keris blade unlike a keris sajen type, which is one piece. I'll take more pictures and post it here, once the piece is returned after upacara Suro' (traditional javanese cleaning). Last edited by Alam Shah; 6th February 2005 at 01:38 PM.

15th February 2005, 04:04 PM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Picture of the entire blade...for comments Attached is the blade for comment... Attached Images

15th February 2005, 04:19 PM	#5
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Close up... All comments, good or bad are welcomed. Attached Images

16th February 2005, 07:06 AM	#7
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Thanks rahman for your response, 1.) I'll take a closer picture near the hilt. As far as i can see, there are no weld marks. 2.) It's some kind of talismanic characters. I'll let you know what it's meant for later. 3.) Palembang?.... Interesting. Last edited by Alam Shah; 16th February 2005 at 01:54 PM.

5th February 2005, 01:33 AM	#1
Sang Keris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Indonesia Posts: 46	well , i mean i mean that's the basic model of keris sajen , shahrial...

16th February 2005, 12:54 AM	#6
rahman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 84	Dear Alam Shah My 2 bits worth from a beginner: 1. The metal in the hilt is different from the blade, so it was not forged as a single piece. See if there are any weld marks where the hilt and the blade meets. 2. What does the inscription say? Quranic or talismanic? 3. The gentle undulations of the luk suggest a Palembang origin?