Sumatran keris for discussion

Alam Shah · 20th August 2006, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

While we're on the subject of keris fashion; here's a new (to me) but old mendak I tossed on my Anak Alang. Is it in fitting with the style?
It seems to be silver on brass and nice work except for the missing ball.
This doesn't strike me as a Jawa mendak.

As Alan and Kai Wee had mentioned, the mendak is not from Sumatra.

Some examples of Sumatran ring/cup (pendokok/pendongkok/pendoko). [link]

An example of a Minangkabau form that would be fitting for your piece. [link]

Alam Shah · 21st August 2006, 12:22 PM

The sheath form is found in Stone's, Pg:387, Fig: 483, #2. It seems like I'm talking to myself...

David · 21st August 2006, 01:48 PM

Don't worry Shahrial....it may seem like you are talking to yourself, but we're listening.

It's hard to tell from the small pic in stone, but while similar, it does appear that your sheath has some subtle, but important differences, especially along the top in the curve of the "boat". Variation on a form....or different catagory...?

Alam Shah · 21st August 2006, 03:20 PM

Yup, agreed. The upper portion inwards curve is different. I agree with Michael's opinion on the daun, of Gayo influence...hmmm.

rahman · 21st August 2006, 03:29 PM

Shah

The first combination -- the pendongko is a Bugis cup, definitely not a good fit. Keep looking for a suitable Minang style

Alam Shah · 21st August 2006, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rahman

Shah
The first combination -- the pendongko is a Bugis cup, definitely not a good fit. Keep looking for a suitable Minang style

I know

, but at that time... the only pendongkok that fits...

Minang styled ones are difficult to come by... (hence the abrupt fittings

).

21st August 2006, 03:20 PM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	similar but not the same... Yup, agreed. The upper portion inwards curve is different. I agree with Michael's opinion on the daun, of Gayo influence...hmmm.

21st August 2006, 12:22 PM	#2
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Stone's reference... The sheath form is found in Stone's, Pg:387, Fig: 483, #2. It seems like I'm talking to myself...

21st August 2006, 01:48 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Don't worry Shahrial....it may seem like you are talking to yourself, but we're listening. It's hard to tell from the small pic in stone, but while similar, it does appear that your sheath has some subtle, but important differences, especially along the top in the curve of the "boat". Variation on a form....or different catagory...?

21st August 2006, 03:29 PM	#5
rahman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 84	Shah The first combination -- the pendongko is a Bugis cup, definitely not a good fit. Keep looking for a suitable Minang style