Help With Dagger ID

tom hyle · 4th February 2005, 12:33 AM

Let's be clear; they're all Spanish Colonial peices; native-made with a strong European influence. That recurve at the very tip is usually PI, though I've seen a probably S American piece or two with it, too. Very peculiar on a rapier-ish blade; more usually seen on cutting swords. Agreed that some of these pieces could well be from the Visayan region; most especially the bottom two and the shortsword with only one ferule in the group picture. On the Spanish influenced stuff it seems to me the region of production is less clear than on "true" or "pure" Phillipino work.

Robert · 4th February 2005, 02:54 PM

Tom,
Here are some closer pictures of the second sword. I will post closer pictures of the first one as soon as my camera batteries recharge.

Blade lenth is 21-3/16 inches.
Blade width is 1-1/2 inches and 1/4 inch thich.
Grip is horn.
Guard and fittings are steel.

Robert · 4th February 2005, 05:11 PM

OK,
Here is the top sword.

Grip is a hard dark wood.
Grip length is 4-3/4 inches.
Guard and fitting are steel (rear fitting is missing).
Blade length is 26-5/8 inches.
Blade width at guard is 7/8 inch and is 3/16 inches thick.

Robert · 11th February 2005, 05:22 AM

Last one.

4th February 2005, 02:54 PM	#2
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Tom, Here are some closer pictures of the second sword. I will post closer pictures of the first one as soon as my camera batteries recharge. Blade lenth is 21-3/16 inches. Blade width is 1-1/2 inches and 1/4 inch thich. Grip is horn. Guard and fittings are steel. Attached Images

4th February 2005, 05:11 PM	#3
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	OK, Here is the top sword. Grip is a hard dark wood. Grip length is 4-3/4 inches. Guard and fitting are steel (rear fitting is missing). Blade length is 26-5/8 inches. Blade width at guard is 7/8 inch and is 3/16 inches thick. Attached Images

11th February 2005, 05:22 AM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Last one. Attached Images

4th February 2005, 12:33 AM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Let's be clear; they're all Spanish Colonial peices; native-made with a strong European influence. That recurve at the very tip is usually PI, though I've seen a probably S American piece or two with it, too. Very peculiar on a rapier-ish blade; more usually seen on cutting swords. Agreed that some of these pieces could well be from the Visayan region; most especially the bottom two and the shortsword with only one ferule in the group picture. On the Spanish influenced stuff it seems to me the region of production is less clear than on "true" or "pure" Phillipino work.