Filippine kris moro?

Bill · 27th July 2006, 10:44 AM

Nice sword. I would guess it's 19C Maguindanao. Not sure if the new owner is going to etch it, but I would not be surprised if it came out with a marble pattern.

rasdan · 27th July 2006, 03:20 PM

Hi,

I think that is one really nice keris. The inlay is simply marvellous!! Prices are subjective for sure.

Congrats on a very nice keris.

Bill M · 27th July 2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rasdan

Hi,

I think that is one really nice keris. The inlay is simply marvellous!! Prices are subjective for sure.

Congrats on a very nice keris.

Thanks! Best inlay I have ever seen. Will get better pictures when it arrives. I am not planning to etch the blade. I will only oil it. Not many are untouched, I like this one that way.

Lew · 27th July 2006, 07:11 PM

Bill

I find it odd that the bidder who put in that big bid only has a few winning auctions and none of them are for antique swords.

Lew

Rick · 27th July 2006, 10:17 PM

Yeh Lew , that is very suspicious ; especially when one reads the Seller's text regarding the sword's estimated worth ($1,000.00 ) .

Still , it is surely a purty sword .
Bill, are you planning any hilt restoration ?

Bill M · 28th July 2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Bill, are you planning any hilt restoration ?

If this is as untouched as I hope it is, I will probably work on preservation only and no restoration. Myabe a light clean and vinegar on the blade. Maybe.

I asked the seller to give my email to S*O*B* and see if he wants to network and or trade/sell blades, but no reponse.

Ebay won't let me email him because we are not in a "financial transaction." (Through eBay)

I am going on the supposition that he is not a shill bidder and maybe someone who also buys quality blades. The seller told me that several "experts" had looked at the blade before he listed it. Possible that SOB was one of these people.

He may be someone I can network with. Would like his contact info if you can get it

Best,
Bill

nechesh · 27th July 2006, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Bill

I find it odd that the bidder who put in that big bid only has a few winning auctions and none of them are for antique swords.

Lew

That's funny Lew, i checked his other auctions too and had a similar thought.... hhmmm.....

Bill M · 27th July 2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nechesh

That's funny Lew, i checked his other auctions too and had a similar thought.... hhmmm.....

Have had several good emails with the seller and he seems like a straight-up guy and relative newbie to eBay.

I also told the seller that I would not be bidding high, so he had no reason to even try a shill.

Bottom line is that I think the seller is an ethical guy who would not bring in a shill bidder.

kai · 28th July 2006, 02:15 AM

Another vote for etching!

There seems to be some active rust, anyway, and just wiping the blade with warm vinegar might do the trick...

BTW, that second-highest bidder did buy old blades before.

Regards,
Kai

mross · 28th July 2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Thanks! Best inlay I have ever seen. Will get better pictures when it arrives. I am not planning to etch the blade. I will only oil it. Not many are untouched, I like this one that way.

Bill,
Nice sword.
Is there something significant about inlays? Such as does it signify a class the sword was made for? (I am guessing only the higher ups could afford inlays).
Can they be identified to a region or perhaps a smith? Just curious, and am trying to add to my body of knowledge. Or are inlays just a matter of personel preference?

Willie W. · 29th July 2006, 11:50 PM

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Bill,
Nice sword.
Is there something significant about inlays? Such as does it signify a class the sword was made for?

yes.

Andrew · 30th July 2006, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Willie W.

yes.

Welcome to the forum, Willie. Any chance you'd expand on this?

Willie W. · 1st August 2006, 05:52 PM

Thank you for the welcome, Andrew. I've been lurking here for quite sometimes but never posted. It seems that for what little knowledge about Moro sundangs were shared, the values of these would rise. There's good and bad to this; good, in that the sellers and dealers are making profit, and bad, because it creates an elite group to collect these heirlooms. With that, most collections are tucked away, giving future collectors no chance of acquiring it, or future scholars to study these magnificent weapons. Though forum such as these exist to educate the public, most informations that are given lately about these swords, are erroneous in nature, almost laughable at times (e.g., the silver hilted barung awhile back...).

I will share what I know about this twisted core, since I have seen this type appearing quite a lot recently, and at the least it would be something that future collectors can go by. But most of all, I have the blessings of my grandfather to share this knowledge. Twisted cores such as the one shown were reserved for the panglimas, and not datus. Datus were dime a dozen, but to be a panglima is something else.

27th July 2006, 10:44 AM	#1
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Nice sword. I would guess it's 19C Maguindanao. Not sure if the new owner is going to etch it, but I would not be surprised if it came out with a marble pattern.

27th July 2006, 03:20 PM	#2
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 368	Hi, I think that is one really nice keris. The inlay is simply marvellous!! Prices are subjective for sure. Congrats on a very nice keris.

27th July 2006, 07:11 PM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Bill I find it odd that the bidder who put in that big bid only has a few winning auctions and none of them are for antique swords. Lew

27th July 2006, 10:17 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Yeh Lew , that is very suspicious ; especially when one reads the Seller's text regarding the sword's estimated worth ($1,000.00 ) . Still , it is surely a purty sword . Bill, are you planning any hilt restoration ?

28th July 2006, 02:15 AM	#9
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Another vote for etching! There seems to be some active rust, anyway, and just wiping the blade with warm vinegar might do the trick... BTW, that second-highest bidder did buy old blades before. Regards, Kai

1st August 2006, 05:52 PM	#13
Willie W. Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8	Thank you for the welcome, Andrew. I've been lurking here for quite sometimes but never posted. It seems that for what little knowledge about Moro sundangs were shared, the values of these would rise. There's good and bad to this; good, in that the sellers and dealers are making profit, and bad, because it creates an elite group to collect these heirlooms. With that, most collections are tucked away, giving future collectors no chance of acquiring it, or future scholars to study these magnificent weapons. Though forum such as these exist to educate the public, most informations that are given lately about these swords, are erroneous in nature, almost laughable at times (e.g., the silver hilted barung awhile back...). I will share what I know about this twisted core, since I have seen this type appearing quite a lot recently, and at the least it would be something that future collectors can go by. But most of all, I have the blessings of my grandfather to share this knowledge. Twisted cores such as the one shown were reserved for the panglimas, and not datus. Datus were dime a dozen, but to be a panglima is something else.