Origine of Bugis Keris

A. G. Maisey · 21st October 2025, 12:31 AM

That blade could be Bugis Detlef, but from the photo I cannot see sufficient evidence to place it as Bugis, the indicators that I can see look more like East Jawa to me.

If in the hand it did provide sufficient evidence to classify as Bugis, I think I'd be considering Sumatera or some other place outside of Sulawesi.

Sajen · 21st October 2025, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

If in the hand it did provide sufficient evidence to classify as Bugis, I think I'd be considering Sumatera or some other place outside of Sulawesi.

My thoughts as well Alan!

Athanase · 21st October 2025, 11:30 PM

Hello,

Thank you all for your responses.
I apologize for the delay in responding.
Here are photos of the blade in its sheath.

A. G. Maisey · 21st October 2025, 11:49 PM

The form of the sirah cecak & the buntut urang is not typical of a keris that can be classified as Bugis, however, it is typical of a keris that can be classified as East Jawa or Madura.

If the blade does indeed carry flat faces, then we would need to consider the possibility of a gonjo replacement at some time in the (probably distant) past.

Athanase · 22nd October 2025, 09:57 PM

Hello,

I checked, one side of the blade is very flat, the other is very slightly lenticular.
The blade seems a little thinner than more traditional Bugis blades with a hexagonal cross-section.

A. G. Maisey · 23rd October 2025, 03:23 AM

That hex cross section is what I mean when I refer to "flat faces".

Does the blade have a hex cross section?

Athanase · 24th October 2025, 01:11 AM

I compared with Bugis keris and Javanese keris and... it's not so obvious, but it's closer to a hexagonal section, but the angle between the flat surface and the cutting edge seems to have been worn so it's not very sharp anymore (Too violent cleaning of the blade in the past?).

21st October 2025, 11:30 PM	#3
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 432	Hello, Thank you all for your responses. I apologize for the delay in responding. Here are photos of the blade in its sheath. Attached Images

21st October 2025, 12:31 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,124	That blade could be Bugis Detlef, but from the photo I cannot see sufficient evidence to place it as Bugis, the indicators that I can see look more like East Jawa to me. If in the hand it did provide sufficient evidence to classify as Bugis, I think I'd be considering Sumatera or some other place outside of Sulawesi.

21st October 2025, 11:49 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,124	The form of the sirah cecak & the buntut urang is not typical of a keris that can be classified as Bugis, however, it is typical of a keris that can be classified as East Jawa or Madura. If the blade does indeed carry flat faces, then we would need to consider the possibility of a gonjo replacement at some time in the (probably distant) past.

22nd October 2025, 09:57 PM	#5
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 432	Hello, I checked, one side of the blade is very flat, the other is very slightly lenticular. The blade seems a little thinner than more traditional Bugis blades with a hexagonal cross-section.

23rd October 2025, 03:23 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,124	That hex cross section is what I mean when I refer to "flat faces". Does the blade have a hex cross section?

24th October 2025, 01:11 AM	#7
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 432	I compared with Bugis keris and Javanese keris and... it's not so obvious, but it's closer to a hexagonal section, but the angle between the flat surface and the cutting edge seems to have been worn so it's not very sharp anymore (Too violent cleaning of the blade in the past?).