Pre Culloden English dragoon basket hilt?

[urbanspaceman]

Hey Jim, that is a cool hilt. It is symmetrical, which, if I remember correctly, was a later style more suited to the gloved hands of the English than the bare clan hands.
Apart from embellishments and decoration it is virtually the same as later Glasgow style minus the wrist guard.
The French ingredient definitely adds towards pre. Culloden.
I am really inexperienced once I move outside of my specialty subject but I am learning, nevertheless, feel free to disabuse my fanciful notions.

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by urbanspaceman

Hey Jim, that is a cool hilt. It is symmetrical, which, if I remember correctly, was a later style more suited to the gloved hands of the English than the bare clan hands.
Apart from embellishments and decoration it is virtually the same as later Glasgow style minus the wrist guard.
The French ingredient definitely adds towards pre. Culloden.
I am really inexperienced once I move outside of my specialty subject but I am learning, nevertheless, feel free to disabuse my fanciful notions.

Not at all fanciful Keith! but well observed. Thank you for coming in on this. Its another sword Ive had for half a century, and never focused on getting to the bottom of its secrets. Now that it is bucket list time, I can see many possibilities and this field of study is most arcane and formidable, but ready to learn as well!

[werecow]

I have very little expertise in this area but I just want to point out the bars that might get in the way of a saber grip, which in my very limited exposure to these swords (mostly via Matt Easton) might imply something about their dating, although I'm not sure what.

Did I qualify that enough? #impostorsyndrome

Well, I guess that wasn't very useful was it.

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by werecow

I have very little expertise in this area but I just want to point out the bars that might get in the way of a saber grip, which in my very limited exposure to these swords (mostly via Matt Easton) might imply something about their dating, although I'm not sure what.

Did I qualify that enough? #impostorsyndrome

Well, I guess that wasn't very useful was it.

I appreciate any input believe me, so thank you!
Im not sure what is meant by saber grip though.
Mostly its hilt features, for example the guard on this has saltire bars keyed to the pommel rather than the ring attached to guard and sitting below pommel.
That suggests this hilt dates c. 1710-30 roughly.
As noted, material on these basket hilts is pretty scattered in numbers of articles etc in sometimes obscure sources.

[werecow]

I did a bit of searching and I think this is the video that I had a vague recollection of:

https://youtu.be/aQKNy7ze2jQ?t=222

He talks about the angle at which the arms of the basket hilt join at the pommel and how that changed in the Victorian era from earlier swords. But I guess this is more relevant to dating later basket hilts.

[urbanspaceman]

My thoughts too regarding Matt's comments on sabre grip.
I was a later change if I remember correctly.
Well done, Werecow.

[Jim McDougall]

I cant get sound in computer so unable to follow video, could you guys walk me through...