Hungarian hussar saber Fringia

corrado26 · 9th April 2025, 07:09 AM

As you can see, there are no signs of wear or age on the rings, which would be expected if it were an old, worn piece. Unfortunately, that is not the case, so this is probably not an original saber - as beautiful as it may be!

serdar · 9th April 2025, 09:47 AM

Yes, i didnt checked that when i was purchasing it, on this type of "military saber" i would definetly expect that place to be worn out, if it was caried, but why i didnt check it out is becouse saber in general looks little carryed, so there wouldnt be that much wear there, but there is no wear at all, not even 0.01 mm, as other things on saber indicate (leather on handle worn out, bruises on scabbard (metal parts), blade etc, but leather on scabbard is also in too good condition for saber that is worn, it is relatively soft leather.

But i encountered on some turkish and persian saber which are original and 100% genuine, that there is no wear in ring holders, why i realy dont know, maybe they werent caried on the body like this saber but was fixed to horse, they were caried by high ranking warior and saw little use, on the back secured by strings etc.

But it is interesting thing, so wear on place where ring is isnt allways indicator of age, and doesent wear out like on others, materials, way of carry, way of construction of ring holder etc.

But this saber is undoubtadly not genuine, somebody gave a lot of efort to make her that good looking.

corrado26 · 10th April 2025, 07:40 AM

I looked at the photos of the FRINGIA saber again. It seems possible to me that the forger only made the then missing scabbard. At least I can't see anything on the saber based on the photos that suggests it's a fake.

Gonzoadler · 10th April 2025, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by corrado26

I looked at the photos of the FRINGIA saber again. It seems possible to me that the forger only made the then missing scabbard. At least I can't see anything on the saber based on the photos that suggests it's a fake.

If you look at the pictures in post #15 you see that it was easy for serdar to bend the blade and deform it permanently. I can't believe that this is possible with an original piece.
Also the patination of the brass fittings of the handle looks as artificial as that of the scabbard fittings. Regarding the authenticity of the saber, I'm not as optimistic as you are.

Regards
Robin

corrado26 · 10th April 2025, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corrado26

I looked at the photos of the FRINGIA saber again. It seems possible to me that the forger only made the then missing scabbard. At least I can't see anything on the saber based on the photos that suggests it's a fake.

I overlooked the bended blade, now it is finally clear.

Pertinax · 10th April 2025, 10:41 PM

Perhaps this will help in identifying Hungarian sabres.

Pertinax · 11th April 2025, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by serdar

But this saber is undoubtadly not genuine, somebody gave a lot of efort to make her that good looking.

Hungarian and Polish sabres and broadswords are among the most common fakes. Two years ago I wanted to buy a Hungarian broadsword from 1763, but I consulted with more knowledgeable colleagues in time. The broadsword turned out to be a fake, and I refused to buy it.

This broadsword is still hanging at auction, there are no takers.

As a rule, the first buyer pays a lot of money, then these items fall in price and hang around at auctions.

Unfortunately, here on the forum you cannot discuss items that are put up for auction, but no one forbids you from contacting participants in private messages.

Best regards,
Yuri

serdar · 11th April 2025, 09:16 PM

Ouuu blade is so well made, it looks real 100% BUT it bends like butter, im not egsagarating it is so soft that there is no way you could make a sirious damage with it.

I dont get it if they put so much effort in that forgery, why not make good tempered blade....?
One thing blade when struck with nail sings like its tempered but it definetly is not!

And on that other fake polish saber, blade snaped when i bent it, martensite like steel structure, some mix of steels acid aged.

It realy disgusts me that scammers and scumbags, make forgery of an antique weapons.

One needs to be very very carefull and thrust no one, but then again i dont get it several expert people looked at that polish saber and all said it is genuine, one of those persons is a old guy who has amazing european! Weapons from 1500-1800 and he was allso deceived by that forgery.

Pertinax · 11th April 2025, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by serdar

One needs to be very very carefull and thrust no one, but then again i dont get it several expert people looked at that polish saber and all said it is genuine, one of those persons is a old guy who has amazing european! Weapons from 1500-1800 and he was allso deceived by that forgery.

It reminds me of the 1976 film with Adriano Celentano, "Bluff: A History of Scams and Frauds."

10th April 2025, 10:41 PM	#6
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9th April 2025, 07:09 AM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	As you can see, there are no signs of wear or age on the rings, which would be expected if it were an old, worn piece. Unfortunately, that is not the case, so this is probably not an original saber - as beautiful as it may be!

9th April 2025, 09:47 AM	#2
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 123	Yes, i didnt checked that when i was purchasing it, on this type of "military saber" i would definetly expect that place to be worn out, if it was caried, but why i didnt check it out is becouse saber in general looks little carryed, so there wouldnt be that much wear there, but there is no wear at all, not even 0.01 mm, as other things on saber indicate (leather on handle worn out, bruises on scabbard (metal parts), blade etc, but leather on scabbard is also in too good condition for saber that is worn, it is relatively soft leather. But i encountered on some turkish and persian saber which are original and 100% genuine, that there is no wear in ring holders, why i realy dont know, maybe they werent caried on the body like this saber but was fixed to horse, they were caried by high ranking warior and saw little use, on the back secured by strings etc. But it is interesting thing, so wear on place where ring is isnt allways indicator of age, and doesent wear out like on others, materials, way of carry, way of construction of ring holder etc. But this saber is undoubtadly not genuine, somebody gave a lot of efort to make her that good looking.

10th April 2025, 07:40 AM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	I looked at the photos of the FRINGIA saber again. It seems possible to me that the forger only made the then missing scabbard. At least I can't see anything on the saber based on the photos that suggests it's a fake.

11th April 2025, 09:16 PM	#8
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 123	Ouuu blade is so well made, it looks real 100% BUT it bends like butter, im not egsagarating it is so soft that there is no way you could make a sirious damage with it. I dont get it if they put so much effort in that forgery, why not make good tempered blade....? One thing blade when struck with nail sings like its tempered but it definetly is not! And on that other fake polish saber, blade snaped when i bent it, martensite like steel structure, some mix of steels acid aged. It realy disgusts me that scammers and scumbags, make forgery of an antique weapons. One needs to be very very carefull and thrust no one, but then again i dont get it several expert people looked at that polish saber and all said it is genuine, one of those persons is a old guy who has amazing european! Weapons from 1500-1800 and he was allso deceived by that forgery.