Hungarian hussar saber Fringia

serdar · 7th April 2025, 09:21 PM

Believe me im also sadd that i sold it, and one karabela blade mounted in turkish stile, but my okp..

But im in doubt now, i got information that saber no1 fringia is 99% fake and very good one probably, soo if anyone could give me a points how can i be sure that it is or it is not a fake!?
My stronger side is ottoman, balkan and persian, in european im so so but i know there are milion fakes of karabelas, hussar, polish etc.

So if anyone can guide me how to be sure about this fringia, is it a fake or real?
Thank you.

Jim McDougall · 8th April 2025, 01:20 AM

As I mentioned, there have been fakes made for decades now, and very convincing. It is almost impossible to tell fakes as they've gotten so good at detail, which is why I prefer the dark, pitted and worn examples. It is easy to mask newer work if it is surrounded by over cleaned and often authentic old blades.
Having examples with provenance from museums is the best bet, and most of the items in Wagner from which he did his drawings are in museums in Vienna and Germany if I recall (he lists all the sources)and I did get a few photos of the originals.

Sorry if indeed fake, but surely remarkable reproduction.

serdar · 8th April 2025, 10:07 AM

Second saber i posted is 1 milion percent genuine, it is from old collection from my country, with provenance, but fringia one i took in a hurry on an auction,
And now after i spent half a day examining it im leaning toward conclusion that i fxd up, i bought in a hurry a very very good fake?

Maybe a blade is genuine, but mountings do look newish.

I will take it to institut in my town and get it checked, if it proves to be a fake, contact a auction house and get it back.

I have doubts now on a polish saber i posted yesterday, that was a private acuisition but very costly one.

From now on i will bring a team of experts, x ray machine, wizard with cristal ball and magician when im buyng polish/hungarian items.
😑

corrado26 · 8th April 2025, 11:20 AM

could you please make fotos of the sabre in post 1 like this one?

serdar · 8th April 2025, 04:47 PM

Offcourse.

serdar · 8th April 2025, 05:25 PM

I took pictures, but after i examined the saber completely( i bought it and put it aside didnt examine it) im a shamed that i bought this fake, it is sooo good made on surface, i was sure im buyng real saber in great condition, but blade is so soft i bent it with ease, ring holders got no wear, and wood in scabbard is darkened on the entrance 10 centimeters later, it is new!
This is so emberasing, i bought something in a hurry that im not familiar with, and boy i bought it!
Every school costs.

So please be careful, examine things you buy in peace and 100%, and treat them as if they are fake, when you relax a too much and get secure that is a moment you fail and trip.

corrado26 · 9th April 2025, 07:09 AM

As you can see, there are no signs of wear or age on the rings, which would be expected if it were an old, worn piece. Unfortunately, that is not the case, so this is probably not an original saber - as beautiful as it may be!

7th April 2025, 09:21 PM	#1
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 123	Believe me im also sadd that i sold it, and one karabela blade mounted in turkish stile, but my okp.. But im in doubt now, i got information that saber no1 fringia is 99% fake and very good one probably, soo if anyone could give me a points how can i be sure that it is or it is not a fake!? My stronger side is ottoman, balkan and persian, in european im so so but i know there are milion fakes of karabelas, hussar, polish etc. So if anyone can guide me how to be sure about this fringia, is it a fake or real? Thank you. Last edited by serdar; 7th April 2025 at 10:02 PM.

8th April 2025, 11:20 AM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	could you please make fotos of the sabre in post 1 like this one? Attached Images

8th April 2025, 05:25 PM	#6
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 123	I took pictures, but after i examined the saber completely( i bought it and put it aside didnt examine it) im a shamed that i bought this fake, it is sooo good made on surface, i was sure im buyng real saber in great condition, but blade is so soft i bent it with ease, ring holders got no wear, and wood in scabbard is darkened on the entrance 10 centimeters later, it is new! This is so emberasing, i bought something in a hurry that im not familiar with, and boy i bought it! Every school costs. So please be careful, examine things you buy in peace and 100%, and treat them as if they are fake, when you relax a too much and get secure that is a moment you fail and trip. Attached Images

8th April 2025, 01:20 AM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,193	As I mentioned, there have been fakes made for decades now, and very convincing. It is almost impossible to tell fakes as they've gotten so good at detail, which is why I prefer the dark, pitted and worn examples. It is easy to mask newer work if it is surrounded by over cleaned and often authentic old blades. Having examples with provenance from museums is the best bet, and most of the items in Wagner from which he did his drawings are in museums in Vienna and Germany if I recall (he lists all the sources)and I did get a few photos of the originals. Sorry if indeed fake, but surely remarkable reproduction.

8th April 2025, 10:07 AM	#3
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 123	Second saber i posted is 1 milion percent genuine, it is from old collection from my country, with provenance, but fringia one i took in a hurry on an auction, And now after i spent half a day examining it im leaning toward conclusion that i fxd up, i bought in a hurry a very very good fake? Maybe a blade is genuine, but mountings do look newish. I will take it to institut in my town and get it checked, if it proves to be a fake, contact a auction house and get it back. I have doubts now on a polish saber i posted yesterday, that was a private acuisition but very costly one. From now on i will bring a team of experts, x ray machine, wizard with cristal ball and magician when im buyng polish/hungarian items. 😑

8th April 2025, 04:47 PM	#5
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 123	Offcourse.

9th April 2025, 07:09 AM	#7
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	As you can see, there are no signs of wear or age on the rings, which would be expected if it were an old, worn piece. Unfortunately, that is not the case, so this is probably not an original saber - as beautiful as it may be!