German sword for coment

serdar · 23rd March 2025, 08:17 PM

My bad, fixed. 🙃

AHorsa · 23rd March 2025, 09:17 PM

Nice sword. Interestingly the Dutch collectors I know say they are dutch (maybe because of Pulpe´s book?), other think they are German

Whatever, your sword is authentic and belongs together in all parts. No worries about the blade.

What are the dimensions?

KR
Andreas

Jim McDougall · 24th March 2025, 12:59 AM

Serdar, glad to add notes, and appreciate the opportunity to see these examples.

It does seem there are typically very few distinctions in many cases between Dutch and German sword types, and often there were German makers in the Netherlands. Solingen blades typically were exported via Dutch ports, most notably Rotterdam which is why in England they were referred to as 'Dutch'.
Often the Dutch eponym was used there in the notion of 'Duetsch' (=German) was heard as 'Dutch', but the fact that these blades came from Rotterdam in most cases most likely.

The example shown in "Blanke Wapens" (J.P.Puype, 1981, #59, p.54) shows this type of hilt in an 18th c. configuration (1735) reflecting the remarkably long presence of this design in this case in distinctly Dutch context.

I have always found these shell guard type hangers fascinating for their profound use at sea, and associations of course with pirates.

As Andreas notes, it would be good to know blade length. Often these swords with these type hilts are referred to as cavalry swords, suggesting longer blades.

serdar · 24th March 2025, 06:51 PM

Hy,

Total lenght 89 cm
Length of blade is 75 cm
Width 4 cm
Thicknes at the base 5 mm.

Victrix · 24th March 2025, 08:11 PM

Beautiful sword. Yes as people wrote previously it’s presumably a Solingen blade with a Spanish punzone. Maybe the swordsmith thought it clever to leave out the word “Solingen” to easier pass as from Toledo. Passau blades typically have running wolf marks. The fuller looks a bit odd but as was mentioned these are handmade 400 year old things and each one is different. I found a similar sword with a similar fuller in Kovac’s “Ubojite Ostrice.” I also always thought these were infantry arms due to their short length but maybe they were haudegen or cutting swords. The description states Cavalry sword.

Radboud · 24th March 2025, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by serdar

Hy,
Total lenght 89 cm
Length of blade is 75 cm
Width 4 cm
Thicknes at the base 5 mm.

Thanks for the info, much the same as mine:
Total Length: 870mm
Blade Length: 725mm
Blade Width: 33.8mm
Blade Thickness: 5.2mm
Total Weight: 900gram

Victrix · 25th March 2025, 07:54 AM

Presence of thumb ring supports use as cavalry haudegen / cutting sword.

ulfberth · 25th March 2025, 03:02 PM

Hi Cerdar, congratutaltions with the German infantery sword, after collecting for almost 50 years I can say that this a 100% all original sword !
Sometimes it takes time to see it from a picture but here its realy obvious.
kind regards
Ulfberth

23rd March 2025, 08:17 PM	#1
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 123	My bad, fixed. 🙃

23rd March 2025, 09:17 PM	#2
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 375	Nice sword. Interestingly the Dutch collectors I know say they are dutch (maybe because of Pulpe´s book?), other think they are German Whatever, your sword is authentic and belongs together in all parts. No worries about the blade. What are the dimensions? KR Andreas

24th March 2025, 12:59 AM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,193	Serdar, glad to add notes, and appreciate the opportunity to see these examples. It does seem there are typically very few distinctions in many cases between Dutch and German sword types, and often there were German makers in the Netherlands. Solingen blades typically were exported via Dutch ports, most notably Rotterdam which is why in England they were referred to as 'Dutch'. Often the Dutch eponym was used there in the notion of 'Duetsch' (=German) was heard as 'Dutch', but the fact that these blades came from Rotterdam in most cases most likely. The example shown in "Blanke Wapens" (J.P.Puype, 1981, #59, p.54) shows this type of hilt in an 18th c. configuration (1735) reflecting the remarkably long presence of this design in this case in distinctly Dutch context. I have always found these shell guard type hangers fascinating for their profound use at sea, and associations of course with pirates. As Andreas notes, it would be good to know blade length. Often these swords with these type hilts are referred to as cavalry swords, suggesting longer blades.

24th March 2025, 06:51 PM	#4
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 123	Hy, Total lenght 89 cm Length of blade is 75 cm Width 4 cm Thicknes at the base 5 mm.

24th March 2025, 08:11 PM	#5
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	Beautiful sword. Yes as people wrote previously it’s presumably a Solingen blade with a Spanish punzone. Maybe the swordsmith thought it clever to leave out the word “Solingen” to easier pass as from Toledo. Passau blades typically have running wolf marks. The fuller looks a bit odd but as was mentioned these are handmade 400 year old things and each one is different. I found a similar sword with a similar fuller in Kovac’s “Ubojite Ostrice.” I also always thought these were infantry arms due to their short length but maybe they were haudegen or cutting swords. The description states Cavalry sword. Attached Images

25th March 2025, 07:54 AM	#7
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	Presence of thumb ring supports use as cavalry haudegen / cutting sword.

25th March 2025, 03:02 PM	#8
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 412	Hi Cerdar, congratutaltions with the German infantery sword, after collecting for almost 50 years I can say that this a 100% all original sword ! Sometimes it takes time to see it from a picture but here its realy obvious. kind regards Ulfberth