Authenticity Of Keris

DhenTal · 31st January 2005, 09:56 AM

If I lok arround at the thread, Ria posted many photos of kriss too. Many piece is new, but many kriss that Ria called old kriss, actualy is new piece too. Like a Jalak Budo in his hpage. It is a real new kriss. In this case, shakti777 more correctly to give opinion.

Sepang · 31st January 2005, 11:28 AM

Oh... Ria

, try to ask to Bambang Irian. Order him to go to Kediri, Madiun, Malang, Sumenep (East Java) or Jogja in order to know how the blacksmith make it. So, beware if you said that your keris called Jalak Buda. It can be just Putran.

Although I just look by photos, but I was trying to understanding about the Iron, Pasikutan ........ and Chi (he..he..). My conclusion, your keris just a putran. The iron diffrent between real old keris buda with yours. The keris buda have a hard iron wave with the unripe iron. But your iron keriss look so ripe with more modern technique metal handiwork. So, the raw your keris can be made from old keris.

.... But, I more like with DhenTal opinion about kerisses..., so to the point

nechesh · 31st January 2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sepang

.... But, I more like with DhenTal opinion about kerisses..., so to the point

Sepang, i am afraid i must diagree with you here. DhenTal is not "to the point" at all. He is merely passing judgement without giving any real criteria for his assessments. This is not to say he is incorrect. However, it is not at all helpful to the understanding of the matter to simply condemn without telling us why. I do understand that language is a bit of a problem here, but i would like to hear more reasons for these statements.
Also DhenTal, i am curious what you think about the two examples that are posted in Alan Maisey's article. Are these also fakes?

Sepang · 31st January 2005, 02:19 PM

Sorry nechesh, I don't mean like that

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I just try to give DhenTal "the praise" about his opinion with no reason which clear

I'm think so, that he use the language to give a problem here... like ... :

DhenTal said, "..... Sepang kriss, although look like a nice piece, but I consider with damascan. It can be made by now. And it look so whole..."
.... or aother he said...

My question..., how can I made new the pamor (damascan) in my old kerisses ? May be DhenTal is a smart blacksmith

so that he can know, which the pamor is made by now or old

So... DhenTal, please give us your reason about your statements

Megantoro · 4th February 2005, 11:04 AM

First of all i would like to thank to the vikingsword forum, i realy appreciate to this forum, it is realy great forum.

The second, still in this page, Sepang bring my name here and order me to go to some places that he/she mention above.
I never know this man/woman, never met him/her, suddenly order me (Bambang Irian) to go to some places like he/she mention.

How dare you are sepang, order me to go to some places for What....????
I don't know you, for what i should follow your order, it is really-really ridicolous.

I really-really need your explanation about this, but do not use this honor forum, here bellow my e-mail bambang_irian@yahoo.com

Thank very much forum for giving me chance to use this page.

Bambang Irian, Jogjakarta. Indonesia.

Andrew · 4th February 2005, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megantoro

How dare you are sepang, order me to go to some places for What....????
I don't know you, for what i should follow your order, it is really-really ridicolous.

I really-really need your explanation about this, but do not use this honor forum, here bellow my e-mail bambang_irian@yahoo.com

Thank very much forum for giving me chance to use this page.

Bambang Irian, Jogjakarta. Indonesia.

Welcome to the forum, Bambang Irian. I look forward to reading your substantive posts and having you contribute your base of knowlege and experience to the forum.

You are quite correct in requesting that Sepang and you correspond via email. I request that both of you (Sepang, are you listening?) not continue this here.

If you are unable to respect this request, I will take more formal action.

Andrew

Sepang · 4th February 2005, 06:03 PM

I'm sorry Andrew, thanks for your understanding. You are a good moderator, really.
I would like to apologize to Bambang Irian.. we can continue this corespond via email so that we can get an undestanding each other. Thanks for your email although you wrote a tendensius and sarcastic mail, so, really sorry.
So, sorry to Ria and another members if I have mistakes in this thread about my posted. Thanks for all the members would like to give a good discussion.
Also I would like to thanks with deep from my heart to Vikingswords forum that would like to give me an honor to be a member in this great forum.
Thanks for all.....

BluErf, I just collecting the Bugis and Malayan kerises.

4th February 2005, 11:04 AM	#5
Megantoro Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2	Why Me First of all i would like to thank to the vikingsword forum, i realy appreciate to this forum, it is realy great forum. The second, still in this page, Sepang bring my name here and order me to go to some places that he/she mention above. I never know this man/woman, never met him/her, suddenly order me (Bambang Irian) to go to some places like he/she mention. How dare you are sepang, order me to go to some places for What....???? I don't know you, for what i should follow your order, it is really-really ridicolous. I really-really need your explanation about this, but do not use this honor forum, here bellow my e-mail bambang_irian@yahoo.com Thank very much forum for giving me chance to use this page. Bambang Irian, Jogjakarta. Indonesia.

4th February 2005, 06:03 PM	#7
Sepang Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 33	Sorry...... with deep from my heart I'm sorry Andrew, thanks for your understanding. You are a good moderator, really. I would like to apologize to Bambang Irian.. we can continue this corespond via email so that we can get an undestanding each other. Thanks for your email although you wrote a tendensius and sarcastic mail, so, really sorry. So, sorry to Ria and another members if I have mistakes in this thread about my posted. Thanks for all the members would like to give a good discussion. Also I would like to thanks with deep from my heart to Vikingswords forum that would like to give me an honor to be a member in this great forum. Thanks for all..... BluErf, I just collecting the Bugis and Malayan kerises. Last edited by Sepang; 4th February 2005 at 06:24 PM.

31st January 2005, 09:56 AM	#1
DhenTal Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 20	If I lok arround at the thread, Ria posted many photos of kriss too. Many piece is new, but many kriss that Ria called old kriss, actualy is new piece too. Like a Jalak Budo in his hpage. It is a real new kriss. In this case, shakti777 more correctly to give opinion.

31st January 2005, 11:28 AM	#2
Sepang Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 33	Oh... Ria , try to ask to Bambang Irian. Order him to go to Kediri, Madiun, Malang, Sumenep (East Java) or Jogja in order to know how the blacksmith make it. So, beware if you said that your keris called Jalak Buda. It can be just Putran. Although I just look by photos, but I was trying to understanding about the Iron, Pasikutan ........ and Chi (he..he..). My conclusion, your keris just a putran. The iron diffrent between real old keris buda with yours. The keris buda have a hard iron wave with the unripe iron. But your iron keriss look so ripe with more modern technique metal handiwork. So, the raw your keris can be made from old keris. .... But, I more like with DhenTal opinion about kerisses..., so to the point

31st January 2005, 02:19 PM	#4
Sepang Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 33	Sorry nechesh, I don't mean like that . I just try to give DhenTal "the praise" about his opinion with no reason which clear I'm think so, that he use the language to give a problem here... like ... : DhenTal said, "..... Sepang kriss, although look like a nice piece, but I consider with damascan. It can be made by now. And it look so whole..." .... or aother he said... My question..., how can I made new the pamor (damascan) in my old kerisses ? May be DhenTal is a smart blacksmith so that he can know, which the pamor is made by now or old So... DhenTal, please give us your reason about your statements