"Early" Moro kris

Gustav · 15th July 2024, 08:10 AM

Ian,

surely that's a completely different Kris than one, which appeared with this description in the old UBB forum about 20 years ago.

Ian · 15th July 2024, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

... surely that's a completely different Kris than one, which appeared with this description in the old UBB forum about 20 years ago.

Unfortunately, the old UBB Forum is defunct and won't be resurrected.

Ian · 20th July 2024, 05:02 AM

Hi Gustav, did you get my PM from a week or so ago?

Ian · 21st July 2024, 01:54 AM

Xasterix has recently posted some excellent pictures from a Spanish auction here. I have looked through the Moro kris shown in those pictures, and there is one that stands out for me as likely to be older than the others based on its features resembling the Javanese keris.

Panoply A from the Xasterix post has been copied below with the swords labeled. Number A-11 appears to be the oldest one shown in these pictures. It has many features seen on the "modern Javanese kris" which I mentioned above. In addition, the gandik is unusually tall for a Moro kris, more in keeping with some old keris, such as the 16th C keris I have referred to before.

In my continuing search for "early" Moro kris, this one may have the most features in common with the Javanese keris. Interestingly, this one does not have an asang asang, and may never have had one (although the quality of the blown up pictures make it hard to tell if there was one originally).

Seeing A-11 displayed with much larger, heavier, and (probably) more recent kris, with notably wider and longer blades, suggests to me that A-11 is a good candidate for a progenitor of the "modern Moro kris." I would place it earlier than 1800, and perhaps much earlier.

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Rick · 22nd July 2024, 03:00 AM

Another A-11

18 inch blade
handle (whale's tooth pommel) 4 and seven eighths inches

LOA 22 and seven eighths inches.

xasterix · 22nd July 2024, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Another A-11

What s beauty!

Sajen · 22nd July 2024, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Another A-11

Another one!

It's 56,5 cm overall, blade alone 44,7 cm.

Ian · 22nd July 2024, 12:08 PM

Thanks Rick and Detlef! Two lovely examples. Can you please provide measurements for length of the blade and overall.

21st July 2024, 01:54 AM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,361	Xasterix has recently posted some excellent pictures from a Spanish auction here. I have looked through the Moro kris shown in those pictures, and there is one that stands out for me as likely to be older than the others based on its features resembling the Javanese keris. Panoply A from the Xasterix post has been copied below with the swords labeled. Number A-11 appears to be the oldest one shown in these pictures. It has many features seen on the "modern Javanese kris" which I mentioned above. In addition, the gandik is unusually tall for a Moro kris, more in keeping with some old keris, such as the 16th C keris I have referred to before. In my continuing search for "early" Moro kris, this one may have the most features in common with the Javanese keris. Interestingly, this one does not have an asang asang, and may never have had one (although the quality of the blown up pictures make it hard to tell if there was one originally). Seeing A-11 displayed with much larger, heavier, and (probably) more recent kris, with notably wider and longer blades, suggests to me that A-11 is a good candidate for a progenitor of the "modern Moro kris." I would place it earlier than 1800, and perhaps much earlier. . Attached Images Last edited by Ian; 21st July 2024 at 08:02 PM. Reason: Spelling

22nd July 2024, 03:00 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Another A-11 18 inch blade handle (whale's tooth pommel) 4 and seven eighths inches LOA 22 and seven eighths inches. Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 22nd July 2024 at 08:07 PM.

15th July 2024, 08:10 AM	#1
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Ian, surely that's a completely different Kris than one, which appeared with this description in the old UBB forum about 20 years ago.

20th July 2024, 05:02 AM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,361	Hi Gustav, did you get my PM from a week or so ago?

22nd July 2024, 12:08 PM	#8
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,361	Thanks Rick and Detlef! Two lovely examples. Can you please provide measurements for length of the blade and overall.