Wax (?) on the pendok

A. G. Maisey · 19th May 2024, 04:33 AM

Gustav, some are curved at the top, some are not. Some Jogja pendok are made for court dress some are not. There is a lot of variation in pendoks & other dress and this is particularly true where where dress has been made to order, or made outside a major hub. Just because something does not follow a pattern such as we are used to seeing, that does not mean it misses a classification entirely.

What I said in my previous post was that it looked like Jogja. The thing that would make it Jogja or not is not the curve at the top of the pendok, it is the overall form, & whether or not that form fits the Jogja style. Lots of different pendoks from lots of different areas have a curved top, but the Jogja style pendok has a more narrow buntut that Solo or Banyumas.

Incidentally, if we wanted to turn a Jogja pendok with a curved top into a pendok with a flat top, that is a pretty easy thing to do, we just square it off & give it a new lis. No big deal. Stuff like this are sometimes done.

Gustav · 19th May 2024, 08:22 AM

Well, I also wrote, it doesn't look like typical Jogja. By the way, the other Keris posted here by Sajen has a similar Pendok combined with a Solo Atasan.

A. G. Maisey · 19th May 2024, 12:47 PM

Which post number is that Gustav?

Sajen · 19th May 2024, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Which post number is that Gustav?

Post #3!

Gustav · 19th May 2024, 04:46 PM

Alan, that's #12.

Flat top, Jogja Buntut, Solo Atasan.

A. G. Maisey · 19th May 2024, 09:35 PM

Post #12 Gustav?

You can see Jogja characteristics in this sunggingan pendok?

Am I correct in this assumption?

Detlef, I was referring to the picture of another similar pendok, it was a picture I was looking for, perhaps Gustav has formed the opinion that your sunggingan has a pendok body that displays Jogja characteristics.

Gustav · 19th May 2024, 11:00 PM

Yes Alan, you are wright in this assumption - the Buntut of Sunggingan Pendok is Jogja style, as the Buntut of the initial Keris of this thread is.

Gustav · 21st May 2024, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Lots of different pendoks from lots of different areas have a curved top, but the Jogja style pendok has a more narrow buntut that Solo or Banyumas.

Note the difference in overall profile, and the way in which the Jogja style pendok narrows towards the buntut (literally "tail", "rear end"), something that is difficult to see in a photo is that the buntut of a Jogja pendok is much more rounded than a Solo pendok buntut.

The Buntut of Sunggingan Wrongko actually is perhaps even slightly more rounded then Kino's one.

Gustav · 21st May 2024, 02:41 PM

Irrelevant

21st May 2024, 02:41 PM	#9
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Irrelevant Last edited by Gustav; 21st May 2024 at 03:41 PM.

19th May 2024, 04:33 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Gustav, some are curved at the top, some are not. Some Jogja pendok are made for court dress some are not. There is a lot of variation in pendoks & other dress and this is particularly true where where dress has been made to order, or made outside a major hub. Just because something does not follow a pattern such as we are used to seeing, that does not mean it misses a classification entirely. What I said in my previous post was that it looked like Jogja. The thing that would make it Jogja or not is not the curve at the top of the pendok, it is the overall form, & whether or not that form fits the Jogja style. Lots of different pendoks from lots of different areas have a curved top, but the Jogja style pendok has a more narrow buntut that Solo or Banyumas. Incidentally, if we wanted to turn a Jogja pendok with a curved top into a pendok with a flat top, that is a pretty easy thing to do, we just square it off & give it a new lis. No big deal. Stuff like this are sometimes done.

19th May 2024, 08:22 AM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Well, I also wrote, it doesn't look like typical Jogja. By the way, the other Keris posted here by Sajen has a similar Pendok combined with a Solo Atasan.

19th May 2024, 12:47 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Which post number is that Gustav?

19th May 2024, 04:46 PM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Alan, that's #12. Flat top, Jogja Buntut, Solo Atasan.

19th May 2024, 09:35 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Post #12 Gustav? You can see Jogja characteristics in this sunggingan pendok? Am I correct in this assumption? Detlef, I was referring to the picture of another similar pendok, it was a picture I was looking for, perhaps Gustav has formed the opinion that your sunggingan has a pendok body that displays Jogja characteristics.

19th May 2024, 11:00 PM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Yes Alan, you are wright in this assumption - the Buntut of Sunggingan Pendok is Jogja style, as the Buntut of the initial Keris of this thread is.