Hilt Identification

A. G. Maisey · 7th May 2024, 02:34 AM

Thank you for your thoughts IP, but for the style and period that would be irrelevant.

For items of rural style & lower quality it might be relevant, but not for something like this little dagger.

I've already got a pretty good start, what I need is that very rare thing:- some specific knowledge of the design motif used in the hilt pommel.

Only that.

Interested Party · 7th May 2024, 05:35 PM

I guess my personal quirk is that I like to know the species woods used and what motifs represent, particularly when they are vegetative and esoteric beliefs.

I wish you luck on your search. Sorry I do not have any information for you. Maybe someday we will know what this item is and looks like if it is not too personal. Thanks for an interesting topic as always

-ip

A. G. Maisey · 7th May 2024, 09:33 PM

Motifs I do have high interest in, woods not so much. This is perhaps due to my principal interest being in Jawa & Bali, & Jawa has used imported woods for many years and until the present. Knowing the tree that wood comes from does not contribute to the knowledge of the item in a socio-cultural context, unless it is a local wood that does have some esoteric aspect associated with it.

The overarching principle is that it is the overall impression created by the appearance & the way in which the material has been worked that does count.

Sajen · 8th May 2024, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

The overarching principle is that it is the overall impression created by the appearance & the way in which the material has been worked that does count.

Very true!

Sajen · 8th May 2024, 08:23 PM

One of the best paradigms is for example hippo ivory, used overall in SEA but not found there.

7th May 2024, 02:34 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Thank you for your thoughts IP, but for the style and period that would be irrelevant. For items of rural style & lower quality it might be relevant, but not for something like this little dagger. I've already got a pretty good start, what I need is that very rare thing:- some specific knowledge of the design motif used in the hilt pommel. Only that.

7th May 2024, 05:35 PM	#2
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 494	I guess my personal quirk is that I like to know the species woods used and what motifs represent, particularly when they are vegetative and esoteric beliefs. I wish you luck on your search. Sorry I do not have any information for you. Maybe someday we will know what this item is and looks like if it is not too personal. Thanks for an interesting topic as always -ip

7th May 2024, 09:33 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Motifs I do have high interest in, woods not so much. This is perhaps due to my principal interest being in Jawa & Bali, & Jawa has used imported woods for many years and until the present. Knowing the tree that wood comes from does not contribute to the knowledge of the item in a socio-cultural context, unless it is a local wood that does have some esoteric aspect associated with it. The overarching principle is that it is the overall impression created by the appearance & the way in which the material has been worked that does count.

8th May 2024, 08:23 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	One of the best paradigms is for example hippo ivory, used overall in SEA but not found there.