Valient Kujang Macan

jmings · 7th July 2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pangeran Datu

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As for the Kujang Macan:
I believe that it is a recent construct, by people not too steeped in tradition. If such a Kujang had existed in the past, it would more likely have been called Kujang Maung. Even then, the Empus would have risked the wrath of 'Maung Kajajaden'.... hardly likely....

I apologise for any drivel.
Hope it helps.. and encourages other people to expand, clarify, refute....

Cheers.

Drivel? Hardly! This is facinating material.

Thanks to all who responded. You have cracked open a window of culture and history that I was previously unaware of.

Scholar Pangeran Datu, I find your statement about empus risking wrath of 'Maung Kajajaden' of great interest. I can find neither any english web pages, nor free on-line translators. Might you (or anyone) expand on this subject a bit.

jmings · 8th July 2006, 02:39 AM

It's here and even more beautiful than the pic.

SWMBO: Oh, it's beautifull.
ME: Isn't it! They were for women.
LINDA: <reaching> Realy!
ME: <stuffing in belt> And high ranking officials.

A. G. Maisey · 10th July 2006, 12:12 AM

Thank you most sincerely for your detailed reply, Pangeran.

You have saved me hours of time playing with google. It must be wonderful to have such a retentive memory, I have difficulty in remembering the date of my own birthday. I find that I need to make notes of everything, if I am to have even the slightest chance of accessing that information at some time in the future. To be able to call upon one's memory for such detail is truly wonderful. I'm impressed.

There is only one thing you have said that still remains a puzzle to me.

You mentioned that Sigit lives in Jember, and thus would be able to easily follow up on the leads that you supplied. I didn`t realise that Sigit had said he lived in Jember, but if he does, Jember is about 120 miles south-east of Surabaya, in East Jawa, and probably something like 300 or more miles from Bandung and Bogor in West Jawa.
To go from Jember to Bandung would involve a lot of money, and a lot of time for him, so I am certain that Sigit is just as grateful for your further information as am I.

Alan.

10th July 2006, 12:12 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Thank you most sincerely for your detailed reply, Pangeran. You have saved me hours of time playing with google. It must be wonderful to have such a retentive memory, I have difficulty in remembering the date of my own birthday. I find that I need to make notes of everything, if I am to have even the slightest chance of accessing that information at some time in the future. To be able to call upon one's memory for such detail is truly wonderful. I'm impressed. There is only one thing you have said that still remains a puzzle to me. You mentioned that Sigit lives in Jember, and thus would be able to easily follow up on the leads that you supplied. I didn`t realise that Sigit had said he lived in Jember, but if he does, Jember is about 120 miles south-east of Surabaya, in East Jawa, and probably something like 300 or more miles from Bandung and Bogor in West Jawa. To go from Jember to Bandung would involve a lot of money, and a lot of time for him, so I am certain that Sigit is just as grateful for your further information as am I. Alan. Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 10th July 2006 at 06:54 AM.

8th July 2006, 02:39 AM	#2
jmings Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tebbetts, Missouri, USA Posts: 49	It's here and even more beautiful than the pic. SWMBO: Oh, it's beautifull. ME: Isn't it! They were for women. LINDA: <reaching> Realy! ME: <stuffing in belt> And high ranking officials.