New Item in Knobkerrie Collection Ndebele Tribe

[David]

I would suggest moving this one to Miscellaneous. It certainly is not a weapon.
https://www.etsy.com/market/zulu_beaded_stick

[Ian]

Hi David,

The etsy site you referenced does describe these as modern forms of the knobkerrie. We do allow decorative modern examples of other weapons here, even when they are not functional. Yemeni dancing swords come to mind, as well as a lot of traditional/ritual African items we allowed here (even when purely decorative or tourist items).

Perhaps Nutellakinesis can explain why he thinks this one is so unusual.

[Rick]

I didn't know Etsy was a reference site.
I agree with the other members that this item belongs in miscellania Ian.

[Ian]

Hi Rick.

I don't consider etsy a "reference site." I used "referenced" in my last post in the sense of "referred to," rather than suggesting it had an authoritative status.

However, since you and David think it should be moved, over it goes to Miscellania.

[Nutellakinesis]

Originally Posted by David

I would suggest moving this one to Miscellaneous. It certainly is not a weapon.
https://www.etsy.com/market/zulu_beaded_stick

If I were being pedantic I could argue that the only difference between a decorative club and one that is used in combat is the owner’s willingness to use it. In the same note I wouldn’t argue that a lamp is a weapon despite its potential as a bunt force object. My distinction is because it evolved FROM a weapon so there’s a vein there.

On a different note, this club is different than many of the ones you’d see on Etsy. The circular adornments at the base of the head are quite unique in my opinion. This one was made in South Africa in the 1970’s. Though, modern adorned knobkerries/talking sticks are still “weapons” in my opinion. But I see why it was moved.

[Ian]

Thanks for your understanding Nutellakinesis. I see what you mean about this one being different from those on etsy.