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[David]

Originally Posted by Pendita65

I cleaned my Keris from the dammar varnish today and this is how it looks now I took some images from the wilah. I also had in my spare parts a nice old silvered pendok for it.

Martin, i'm not seeing the photos on my end.

[A. G. Maisey]

I believe most people would classify the pamor in the sorsoran as Kul Buntet.

[kai]

It doesn't look inserted to me, Alan.

To me, this motif at the base seems to be a part of the overall pamor (with much of it now lost to erosion).

Regards,
Kai

[Pendita65]

The photo’s after taking off the dammar varnish

[A. G. Maisey]

I tend to disagree Kai, erosion and the necessary coldwork has taken a part of the swirl, I feel that this swirl might be continued into the pesi, & and if that is so, then that pesi will have been attached to the blade after the body of the blade had been forged, however, this is just a possibility being floated, because we cannot know that without seeing the pesi, especially under the gonjo.

In any case, whether the kul buntet was inserted as a swirl, or whether the maker was sufficiently skilled to create a swirl in one part of a larger motif, the end result is still the same:- kul buntet.

If it is a part of a larger motif, is that larger motif mlumah or miring?

Incidentally, on the subject of "insertion" of a pamor feature, in some cases we can form a hole, or even an impression in the material, & then lay the swirl or whatever into it, but it is also sufficient just to lay the additional piece of pamor onto the already forged material, then cover it with another piece of material that gets removed during the cold work.

[Pendita65]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I tend to disagree Kai, erosion and the necessary coldwork has taken a part of the swirl, I feel that this swirl might be continued into the pesi, & and if that is so, then that pesi will have been attached to the blade after the body of the blade had been forged, however, this is just a possibility being floated, because we cannot know that without seeing the pesi, especially under the gonjo.

In any case, whether the kul buntet was inserted as a swirl, or whether the maker was sufficiently skilled to create a swirl in one part of a larger motif, the end result is still the same:- kul buntet.

If it is a part of a larger motif, is that larger motif mlumah or miring?

Incidentally, on the subject of "insertion" of a pamor feature, in some cases we can form a hole, or even an impression in the material, & then lay the swirl or whatever into it, but it is also sufficient just to lay the additional piece of pamor onto the already forged material, then cover it with another piece of material that gets removed during the cold work.

Thanks Mr. Maisey for the info. and my excuses for replying so late

best wishes, Martin

[Pendita65]

Originally Posted by David

Martin, i'm not seeing the photos on my end.

Hi David i guess something went wrong with the photo's i just posted them again.

[Pendita65]

Detail of the pendok as replacement.

[David]

The replacement pendok looks good Martin, though i do believe with just a little bit of effort you could restore the original one to a fairly decent condition.

[Pendita65]

Thanks David, and yes i will see if i can get the old one in a more acceptable state. The blade is cleaned from rust and i think it's ready for a warangan treatment. This hobby is also addictive, could not resist to buy some Keris today and a nice rencong in need of some tlc.
They seem to come across my path the last few weeks so each week i bought some projects to work on.

[Pendita65]

Thanks David, will have a go at trying to get the wrinkles out of.