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Old 2nd January 2024, 07:28 AM   #1
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The imagery on this is fascinating. I am probably wrong but on the blade I see a wolf and an owl then a human like figure. On the grip I see a man with hat and moustache on the pommel end a devil figure near the hilt. Trying to find folklore with wolf and owl symbolism led me to Caucasian Albania. There is a Caucasian script with similar letters (scripts could depend on how faithfully they are represented) It appears that the wolf and owl has some relevance in Albania even if a different country. The symbolism is easily understood strength wisdom protection and guardianship from the devil. One way of looking at it.

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Seems to be a well known combination. I thought this is a good interpretation. As I said I am probably way off and wrong. Just another way of looking at the possible origins of the sword.
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Surely we must be looking at a long eared owl. The other things look like human bird transformation? Could the man on the grip be Amirani Georgian hero? he has a dog Q'ursha. Cannot find anything about an owl but some stuff about eagles. Transformation in the myths could be to an owl. Just having some fun on a wet and windy holiday.
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Old 2nd January 2024, 12:56 PM   #4
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I can't help but be reminded of a Husa Khampa from Tibet even though the inscriptions obviously point in a totally different direction. Take a look at mine: It somehow got several similar features in overall shape.
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I can't help but be reminded of a Husa Khampa from Tibet even though the inscriptions obviously point in a totally different direction. Take a look at mine: It somehow got several similar features in overall shape.
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Привет Томас!
Когда я приобретал этот меч он был заявлен как – тибетский церемониальный меч типа «дпа’дам», но в дальнейшем в ходе обсуждений эта версия не подтвердилась. На форуме присутствуют эксперты по Тибету, Китаю, Кавказу, Востоку которые принимали участие в прошлом обсуждении. Я надеюсь, что они выскажут свои версии.
Hello Thomas!

When I acquired this sword, he was declared as a Tibetan ceremonial sword of the dpa’dam, but in the future, during the discussion, this version was not confirmed. On the forum there are experts on Tibet, China, the Caucasus, the east of which took part in the last discussion. I hope they will express their versions.
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Old 2nd January 2024, 04:22 PM   #6
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Old 2nd January 2024, 05:28 PM   #7
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Спасибо Тим, но по мнению историков албанское государство на территории Кавказа прекратило свое существование в IX веке, а обсуждаемый предмет под этот период не подходит.

Thanks to Tim, but according to historians, the Albanian state in the Caucasus ceased to exist in the 9th century, and the subject under discussion is not suitable for this period.
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Presumably this is the alphabet in question? I'm not seeing most of the characters on the blade though.

Church Slavonic also has some overlap maybe.

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The imagery on this is fascinating. I am probably wrong but on the blade I see a wolf and an owl then a human like figure. On the grip I see a man with hat and moustache on the pommel end a devil figure near the hilt. Trying to find folklore with wolf and owl symbolism led me to Caucasian Albania. There is a Caucasian script with similar letters (scripts could depend on how faithfully they are represented) It appears that the wolf and owl has some relevance in Albania even if a different country. The symbolism is easily understood strength wisdom protection and guardianship from the devil. One way of looking at it.
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Большое спасибо, очень интересная версия. Я, к сожалению, не владею английским языком, поэтому пользуюсь переводчиком. В стране, где я живу нет термина Кавказская Албания. Где этот регион находится?

Hello Tim!
Thank you very much, very interesting version. Unfortunately, I do not speak English, so I use a translator. In the country where I live there is no term Caucasian Albania. Where is this region located?
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