"cleaned" blade

PUFF · 3rd July 2006, 08:12 AM

Thank you very much. I 'm not familiar with Burmese style. Siamese and Lanna blades rarely use diamond x-section, even in japanese imitated baldes.

DhaDha · 4th July 2006, 02:43 AM

I had thought that this style of blade from Burma was somehow related to Japanese swords. It seems to be closer to them than the dha/darb styles in the immediate surrounding area.

Could be wrong though. I keep finding out how little I know about Dhas and I certainly can't say I know anything about Japanese swords.

This one is smaller than the others I've seen. It came with a big brother though. A near copy, but larger. I was told that one of them was used by a female guard. I didn't/don't think it was possible at that time in Burma. Given the state of women's rights at the time. But maybe a female guarding another important female?...

Mark · 4th July 2006, 07:53 PM

They do seem to come in all sizes.

As for Japanese influence, everything I have found in my research shows that the dha/daab form developed completely independently of the Japanese katana. The resemblance really is quite superficial, if you compare them side-by-side. The dha has a very pronounced distal taper - the katana has very very little. This gives them very different points of balance. The tang of the dha is very short (2-4 inches), trianglular, and is not pinned, nor does it even go all the way through the handle - the katana has a long, wide tang almost the length of the handle, held by pins. Dha have a more acute cross-section (don't quite know how to describe it - widest at the spine, and tapering all the way to the edge), while the katana generally has a thicker blade, with the edge taper beginning further away from the spine. Dha handles have a round cross section, katana have an oval cross section.

I say "dha," but the same applies for Thai daab. In Thailand there was some stylistic influence, but it still was fairly superficial and limited. Katana blades were popular at one point, but this was centuries after the daab form had already developed. The period of strongest Japanese influence in Thailand was in the early 17th century, and it was short-lived. The Japanesese were largely expelled from the country by the mid-16th century, with China again becoming the pre-eminant trade partner.

If there is an external influence at all, and I find that sort of condescending - as if the Tai & Burmese could not come up with their own sword designs - it would be from Yunnan (southern China today). Given that the Tai (which includes the "Shan," Lao & Thai) originally came from the Yunnan area, it still isn't really proper to call this "influence," though my current guess is that the Tai styles did influence the Burmese somewhat.

DhaDha · 5th July 2006, 05:27 PM

Thank you, Mark. Ahh, still so much to learn.

3rd July 2006, 08:12 AM	#1
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	Thank you very much. I 'm not familiar with Burmese style. Siamese and Lanna blades rarely use diamond x-section, even in japanese imitated baldes.

4th July 2006, 02:43 AM	#2
DhaDha Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 176	I had thought that this style of blade from Burma was somehow related to Japanese swords. It seems to be closer to them than the dha/darb styles in the immediate surrounding area. Could be wrong though. I keep finding out how little I know about Dhas and I certainly can't say I know anything about Japanese swords. This one is smaller than the others I've seen. It came with a big brother though. A near copy, but larger. I was told that one of them was used by a female guard. I didn't/don't think it was possible at that time in Burma. Given the state of women's rights at the time. But maybe a female guarding another important female?...

4th July 2006, 07:53 PM	#3
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	They do seem to come in all sizes. As for Japanese influence, everything I have found in my research shows that the dha/daab form developed completely independently of the Japanese katana. The resemblance really is quite superficial, if you compare them side-by-side. The dha has a very pronounced distal taper - the katana has very very little. This gives them very different points of balance. The tang of the dha is very short (2-4 inches), trianglular, and is not pinned, nor does it even go all the way through the handle - the katana has a long, wide tang almost the length of the handle, held by pins. Dha have a more acute cross-section (don't quite know how to describe it - widest at the spine, and tapering all the way to the edge), while the katana generally has a thicker blade, with the edge taper beginning further away from the spine. Dha handles have a round cross section, katana have an oval cross section. I say "dha," but the same applies for Thai daab. In Thailand there was some stylistic influence, but it still was fairly superficial and limited. Katana blades were popular at one point, but this was centuries after the daab form had already developed. The period of strongest Japanese influence in Thailand was in the early 17th century, and it was short-lived. The Japanesese were largely expelled from the country by the mid-16th century, with China again becoming the pre-eminant trade partner. If there is an external influence at all, and I find that sort of condescending - as if the Tai & Burmese could not come up with their own sword designs - it would be from Yunnan (southern China today). Given that the Tai (which includes the "Shan," Lao & Thai) originally came from the Yunnan area, it still isn't really proper to call this "influence," though my current guess is that the Tai styles did influence the Burmese somewhat.

5th July 2006, 05:27 PM	#4
DhaDha Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 176	Thank you, Mark. Ahh, still so much to learn.