moro? help!

Rick · 2nd July 2006, 05:15 PM

In a word ; yes .
Strange (to me) hilt though .

The other piece with the star at the bottom looks Philippine also ; the keris looks like one of the Madura 'Soldier Kerisses' hard to tell from pic quality though ....

Battara · 2nd July 2006, 06:40 PM

I agree with Rick - Moro. I would like to have had better pictures though. From what I can tell, the hilt is fine, but fuzzy.

nechesh · 2nd July 2006, 07:48 PM

I don't think it's a question of a better monitor.

I think it is very possible this is an old "archaic" Moro kris, what Cato defines as 18thC kris. By comparison to the Madura keris next to it it seems the blade is probably under 20 inches long. And the blade profile is right for nthat type of kris. But i've got a feeling that the hilt might be a figurative Indonesian hilt that has been adapted to this kris. I don't see a baca-baca on this one. We need a CSI photo reconstruction on this photo to tell anything for sure.

Henk · 2nd July 2006, 08:41 PM

Nechesh, I agree. It is a moro kris with probably a maduran like ukiran. But the picture doesn't tell it properly. The other keris is a maduran KNIL keris or like Rick said a soldiers keris.
The fourth dagger is such a morrocan nimcha dagger. Tourist??
The third dagger has a star and something like a heart on the sheath. Might come out the morrocan tourist area too but of course a phillipine dagger is also a possibilty.

kino · 3rd July 2006, 12:13 AM

Punal, You need to sell me one of your Barungs so you can get a better
monitor

Rick · 3rd July 2006, 12:26 AM

Kino , you a little short on barungs ?
How could that be ?

punal · 3rd July 2006, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kino

Punal, You need to sell me one of your Barungs so you can get a better
monitor

no thanks kino, i'll stick with the old monitor

kino · 3rd July 2006, 02:56 AM

Daddy needs a new Summer Barung to wear to da beach.

Bill · 3rd July 2006, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nechesh

I think it is very possible this is an old "archaic" Moro kris, what Cato defines as 18thC kris. And the blade profile is right for nthat type of kris. But i've got a feeling that the hilt might be a figurative Indonesian hilt that has been adapted to this kris. I don't see a baca-baca on this one. We need a CSI photo reconstruction on this photo to tell anything for sure.

Looks like a 18thC and looks like it does have a baca-baca. Interesting that it has a ferrule. Interesting that if it has non-traditional Moro hilt, some assume it is "adapted". Maybe the new owner will provide us with some pics?

nechesh · 3rd July 2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill

Looks like a 18thC and looks like it does have a baca-baca. Interesting that it has a ferrule. Interesting that if it has non-traditional Moro hilt, some assume it is "adapted". Maybe the new owner will provide us with some pics?

Bill, you might be right, there could be a baca-baca there. Frankly, i'm not "assuming" anything about this kris based upon this photo. I certainly wouldn't assume that there is a ferrule. It could just as easily be a selut on the hilt. Without better pictures i would jump to ANY conclusions on this one, least of all that it is a Bugis missing link.

2nd July 2006, 05:15 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Looks Moro ? In a word ; yes . Strange (to me) hilt though . The other piece with the star at the bottom looks Philippine also ; the keris looks like one of the Madura 'Soldier Kerisses' hard to tell from pic quality though ....

2nd July 2006, 06:40 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	I agree with Rick - Moro. I would like to have had better pictures though. From what I can tell, the hilt is fine, but fuzzy.

2nd July 2006, 07:48 PM	#3
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	I don't think it's a question of a better monitor. I think it is very possible this is an old "archaic" Moro kris, what Cato defines as 18thC kris. By comparison to the Madura keris next to it it seems the blade is probably under 20 inches long. And the blade profile is right for nthat type of kris. But i've got a feeling that the hilt might be a figurative Indonesian hilt that has been adapted to this kris. I don't see a baca-baca on this one. We need a CSI photo reconstruction on this photo to tell anything for sure.

2nd July 2006, 08:41 PM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Nechesh, I agree. It is a moro kris with probably a maduran like ukiran. But the picture doesn't tell it properly. The other keris is a maduran KNIL keris or like Rick said a soldiers keris. The fourth dagger is such a morrocan nimcha dagger. Tourist?? The third dagger has a star and something like a heart on the sheath. Might come out the morrocan tourist area too but of course a phillipine dagger is also a possibilty.

3rd July 2006, 12:13 AM	#5
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,018	Punal, You need to sell me one of your Barungs so you can get a better monitor

3rd July 2006, 12:26 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Kino , you a little short on barungs ? How could that be ?

3rd July 2006, 02:56 AM	#8
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,018	Daddy needs a new Summer Barung to wear to da beach.