Do Phallic shaped Ukirans have any traditional background?

[milandro]

I am glad that you think that there would be no eyes which would be offended by the vision of such thing ( while I was researching the matter on possible previous threads I did find some thread where someone took offence at something very much less graphic so I decided to err on the side of caution).

I certainly agree that all examples I have seen are certainly new but I was wondering if any connection could be found in the tradition.

After all the sexual symbology is often explained when it comes to the keris and its component parts and the lingam is no stranger to many cultures including the European.

[SidJ]

Probably common knowledge to you experts but I only recently suddenly noticed that the typical Bali kris hilts are shaped like phallus. I had never noticed this before and to be honest it shocked me a bit. I cant bring myself to hold it anymore!

[David]

Originally Posted by SidJ

Probably common knowledge to you experts but I only recently suddenly noticed that the typical Bali kris hilts are shaped like phallus. I had never noticed this before and to be honest it shocked me a bit. I cant bring myself to hold it anymore!

LOL! Do you mean Bondolan hilts. I suppose anything that is longer than it is wide can be seen as being phallic. To me the bondolan hilts simply seem to be an extension of the common Javanese planar style hilts. I suppose they can be seen as phallic as well. While we are at it, the keris blade itself can also be seen as phallic. Be careful or you may have to give up collecting keris altogether.

[Paul de Souza]

I guess the photo speaks for itself.
I bought this at auction many years ago from a grainy photo. I thought it was a man in a helmet.

[Rick]

I have this example carved from horn (how appropriate!) from Adni.
I've never seen one mounted on a wilah. I do wonder where it fits into the cultural ethos of the keris or is it a gimmick for those of us who are outside of keris culture.

[Paul de Souza]

Here is what it looks like on the wilah.
It is a comfortable grip and works very well.
Just a bit awkward grasping in the hand though.

[milandro]

that is exactly what I am talking about .

[SidJ]

Originally Posted by David

LOL! Do you mean Bondolan hilts. I suppose anything that is longer than it is wide can be seen as being phallic. To me the bondolan hilts simply seem to be an extension of the common Javanese planar style hilts. I suppose they can be seen as phallic as well. While we are at it, the keris blade itself can also be seen as phallic. Be careful or you may have to give up collecting keris altogether.

Hi David
Yes this type of hilt. The glans tip bearing the pesi and the rounded pommel forming the scrotum. Immediately apparent when the hilt is separate from blade.

[SidJ]

This one is definately a happy camper.

[David]

Well, there's no unseeing that now, is there?
Frankly i never considered this hilt from an upside down perspective.
Intentional?
Perhaps.

[SidJ]

Sorry David
That angular pic got flipped . It looks even more realistic that way. But Im glad you can see my point. I never considered this form to be phallic until one day when it suddenly dawned on me what it looked like. And now things wont be the same.