I'd like to see cross cultural sundang melayu kerises

Gustav · 8th July 2023, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Yes, they can be laminated for sure but don't get etched with warangan like the recent example Milandro has shown. I think that he means this.

I am not so sure about that, having seen at least one Malay Sundang WITHOUT Pamor stained pitch black, and the stain wasn't new. In this case I think it was stained with realgar indeed.

Of course there are also other staining methods used on Malay Peninsula, with contrast being not so bold. I suppose the Sundang in the picture from 1907 has a lighter stain, and Albert's Sundang here has traces of what seems to be an older stain:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=Malay+sundang

A. G. Maisey · 8th July 2023, 10:44 PM

Re my post #13

"The keris with 7 luk & twist core presents every indication that it is 19th century Brunei. My opinion in this case is based on a similar keris that I have in my care & that was the state execution keris of Brunei, dating from 1842, and the fact that the only other keris of this type that I have handled also came from Brunei."

I have had a chance to get back to my notes, I have in fact seen several of this type of keris, but have only handled two, mine & one other.

Gustav · 9th July 2023, 01:20 AM

Alan,

I guess, this Sundang could be quite similar to your specimen from Brunei.
I understand why certain people would attribute it to a Madura smith. I am quite sure, there were Madura smiths working on Peninsula too. On the other hand, wasn't Jasper&Pirngadie writing about smiths from Terengganu working in malay parts of Borneo? Some kind of geographical loop, which is very acceptable.

Sundang from #11 has a quite distinct Luk shape, and this Luk shape points to Terengganu. Kembang Kacang is different from the example I posted here below. Its sheath is (or better say, was, for antique examples) specifically Kelantan, which borders to Terengganu.

By the way, that Sundang from #11 is Luk 5, not 7.

9th July 2023, 01:20 AM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Alan, I guess, this Sundang could be quite similar to your specimen from Brunei. I understand why certain people would attribute it to a Madura smith. I am quite sure, there were Madura smiths working on Peninsula too. On the other hand, wasn't Jasper&Pirngadie writing about smiths from Terengganu working in malay parts of Borneo? Some kind of geographical loop, which is very acceptable. Sundang from #11 has a quite distinct Luk shape, and this Luk shape points to Terengganu. Kembang Kacang is different from the example I posted here below. Its sheath is (or better say, was, for antique examples) specifically Kelantan, which borders to Terengganu. By the way, that Sundang from #11 is Luk 5, not 7. Attached Images

8th July 2023, 10:44 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Re my post #13 "The keris with 7 luk & twist core presents every indication that it is 19th century Brunei. My opinion in this case is based on a similar keris that I have in my care & that was the state execution keris of Brunei, dating from 1842, and the fact that the only other keris of this type that I have handled also came from Brunei." I have had a chance to get back to my notes, I have in fact seen several of this type of keris, but have only handled two, mine & one other.