Ceremonial Hatchet?

mgolab · 17th June 2023, 05:08 PM

Thank you Ian.

Yes, that is what my research shows concerning the IORM.

So may questions regarding this piece which I have not had time to research:

who was this R. Schaffer? Was he a Civil War veteran? Relative to a revolutionary war veteran? It is an old PA surname.

was this piece a family heirloom by the time of 1910, which R. Schaffer wished use for his award as a "3D Warrior"?

I have looked at over a hundred of these IORM hatchets and did not see one remotely close in form to this piece.

The dimensions, weight and location of the piece seem to support the "theatre" of conflict when halberd hatchets were traded as ceremonial pieces for diplomatic purposes rather than weapons.

I would welcome any additional feedback. Thanks

David · 18th June 2023, 09:18 PM

I believe the organization may still exist and they have a museum of memorabilia in Waco,Texas. You my be able to find out some more specific info by sending them an email with some photos.

http://redmen.org
info@redmen.org

T.O.T.E. seems be be a motto of some sort, "Totem of the Eagle".
Kind of a crazy and offensive bit of appropriation, this organization, based upon the pre-Revolutionary War act of grand appropriation where our brave patriots dumped tea in Boston Harbour playing dress-up as Mohawk natives. I mean, if you are going to commit revolutionary acts, might as well pin it on the natives. Despite adopting native dress and specific language though, the Improved Order of the Red Man was an Whites only organization until 1974.

Ian · 19th June 2023, 02:08 AM

David,

I agree. Some mixed messaging going on in the IORM. Still, an interesting charitable group that had a women's companion organization, the Order of Pocahontas (OP). I guess that was how gender inclusiveness was handled in the 19th C.

mgolab · 19th June 2023, 03:40 PM

Thank you for the informational tips.

I sent images to the IORM museum and received a response.

The axe was not officially issued by the IORM, not made by the organization. Its origin is a mystery.

very interesting....

17th June 2023, 05:08 PM	#1
mgolab Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Posts: 68	Thank you Ian. Yes, that is what my research shows concerning the IORM. So may questions regarding this piece which I have not had time to research: who was this R. Schaffer? Was he a Civil War veteran? Relative to a revolutionary war veteran? It is an old PA surname. was this piece a family heirloom by the time of 1910, which R. Schaffer wished use for his award as a "3D Warrior"? I have looked at over a hundred of these IORM hatchets and did not see one remotely close in form to this piece. The dimensions, weight and location of the piece seem to support the "theatre" of conflict when halberd hatchets were traded as ceremonial pieces for diplomatic purposes rather than weapons. I would welcome any additional feedback. Thanks

18th June 2023, 09:18 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	I believe the organization may still exist and they have a museum of memorabilia in Waco,Texas. You my be able to find out some more specific info by sending them an email with some photos. http://redmen.org info@redmen.org T.O.T.E. seems be be a motto of some sort, "Totem of the Eagle". Kind of a crazy and offensive bit of appropriation, this organization, based upon the pre-Revolutionary War act of grand appropriation where our brave patriots dumped tea in Boston Harbour playing dress-up as Mohawk natives. I mean, if you are going to commit revolutionary acts, might as well pin it on the natives. Despite adopting native dress and specific language though, the Improved Order of the Red Man was an Whites only organization until 1974.

19th June 2023, 02:08 AM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,398	David, I agree. Some mixed messaging going on in the IORM. Still, an interesting charitable group that had a women's companion organization, the Order of Pocahontas (OP). I guess that was how gender inclusiveness was handled in the 19th C.

19th June 2023, 03:40 PM	#4
mgolab Member Join Date: Jun 2023 Posts: 68	Thank you for the informational tips. I sent images to the IORM museum and received a response. The axe was not officially issued by the IORM, not made by the organization. Its origin is a mystery. very interesting....