Worth Repairing or Not?

[drac2k]

I am very thankful for all of the insightful comments; Is it a stupid question to ask if it is economically viable to have the Kris sent to Madura or Jawa to have the handle recarved and a scabbard made?

[kayoba84]

Originally Posted by drac2k

I am very thankful for all of the insightful comments; Is it a stupid question to ask if it is economically viable to have the Kris sent to Madura or Jawa to have the handle recarved and a scabbard made?

Am not sure where you are but if you send the hilt to Malaysia, Indonesia or Thailand, it can be patched and repaired. You only need to send the keris if you want to get a new sampir and batang made, or you can get a "sampir tumpang", that is you can buy a used/ old set ...but you need to guestimate the fit based on the length of the blade and perhaps too the dimensions of the ganjar/ aring.

Whether or not it makes economical sense, that is subjective. If you need contacts in the countries mentioned, I know that many members of this group can help connect you.

Good luck

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by kayoba84

Am not sure where you are but if you send the hilt to Malaysia, Indonesia or Thailand, it can be patched and repaired. You only need to send the keris if you want to get a new sampir and batang made, or you can get a "sampir tumpang", that is you can buy a used/ old set ...but you need to guestimate the fit based on the length of the blade and perhaps too the dimensions of the ganjar/ aring.

Whether or not it makes economical sense, that is subjective. If you need contacts in the countries mentioned, I know that many members of this group can help connect you.

Good luck

It is the best places to be done.

Be very cautious though, blades cannot be imported without permits, although many get through, equally, they cannot be exported... and will be stopped by post and customs... I opt to resin cast any bare blades now, and make two castings as they can sometimes be broken in the carving process...

[A. G. Maisey]

Personally, I would not consider for one instant sending this keris to either Jawa or Madura for a wrongko.

Never in a million years.

But I am very risk averse & I have better than 50 years experience with Bali, Jawa, Madura & Indonesia in general, as well as the people who do this work.

It might be viable to seek out somebody who works with keris online --- everybody I know is old school & not at all tuned into modern communication.

You could try ordering a new or used wrongko and fit the blade yourself. I'd order new, the blade fitting is not difficult, but it is painstaking & you do need patience.

[jagabuwana]

Hello Alan, when you say that the blade fitting is painstaking, are you just thinking of carving out the inlet for the gonjo? Or are you also factoring in hollowing out the gandar?

[A. G. Maisey]

The gandar is pretty straightforward if you have the right tools, you need a segrek. If no segrek, you just splitn it down the sides and fit the blade that way. The painstaking part is fitting the gonjo, it is oil on the metal gently insert, scrape away the oil marks on the wood. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat interminably.

There's more to the total job than that, of course, but it is all doable with patience.

[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Personally, I would not consider for one instant sending this keris to either Jawa or Madura for a wrongko.

Never in a million years.

But I am very risk averse & I have better than 50 years experience with Bali, Jawa, Madura & Indonesia in general, as well as the people who do this work.

It might be viable to seek out somebody who works with keris online --- everybody I know is old school & not at all tuned into modern communication.

You could try ordering a new or used wrongko and fit the blade yourself. I'd order new, the blade fitting is not difficult, but it is painstaking & you do need patience.

I agree with Alan and would really think twice (or three or four times ) before i would send a keris back to Indonesia for a refitting. But as suggested, you may be able to find an old wrongko and refit it to your blade if you have the skills. You may even get lucky and find an old sheath that already has a reasonable fit. But i don't see many old, unmated wrongko on eBay anymore.
The possibility does also exist to get you hands on a new wrongko that has not yet had the opening cut for a blade. This is a much more ambitious project that refitting a blade to a used wrongko, and probably requires more skills, but it can be done. I speak from experience as i did do this once for a keris in my own collection. Unfortunately i am not very skilled in this craft, but did manage to get a somewhat passage job done. Far from perfect, but i can live with the imperfection. As you can see one of the photos, the blade does sit a bit "proud" in the sheath and my fitting in not quite like a glove, but it works. When i received this sheath it was unstained/finished and the was just a small starter hole in the Gambar and the Gandar was separated form it. The pendok is brass and i had a nice silver plating job done on it. Though not at all perfect it was a fun and educational process for me.
As for the hilt, i would search for a new one. You can find hilts on ePray that could serve this keris well that would not be too expensive. Probably not antique ones with this level of carving, but reasonable examples that will serve their purpose. Well carved antique ones would, of course, not be inexpensive. You can also find various online sellers, whose names i will not mention here due to forum rules, who regularly stock hilts of various styles and eras for sale. While this hilt probably could be repaired i believe it would probably cost you more to do that than to find a replacement. As has been pointed out, this is a Madura keris so you will probably want to be looking for appropriate hilt forms.

[drac2k]

Once again I am grateful for all of the comments! The replies to my post have been very educational to me.
My plan of action will be(God Willing), to carry the Kris to the Baltimore Show next year and search out a proper handle and possibly a scabbard with the guidance (hopefully), of some of the forum members who I have met there before. At the show, there is a vendor whose father married an Indonesian woman many years ago, who made many trips to her country and brought back literally tons of items; he has passed, but his son, has taken over his spot; he is knowledgeable, he has loads of inventory, and he is reasonable.
Once I have found a handle, I will not discard the old one but rather put it in a drawer until if and/or when an opportunity should present itself for its rehabilitation.
Having a sheath, while nice, isn't of great importance to me, however, I have noted the spirituality that the Kris, in general, is held by the Forum Community and I am wondering if I am committing some breach of etiquette by not having a scabbard?

[Sajen]

Here you can see an old blade from my collection I've given a "new" old sarung (scabbard): http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=keris+kebo

Regards,
Detlef