Cup-hilted rapier

[fernando]

Jim, perhaps a significant fixing method other than the screws entering the cup from the outside and meet (say) the pas d'ane, is the one in that the cup is welded to the quillons. I assume such system is more seen in Portuguese swords, but nevertheless to be taken into account.
Currently, from the four cup hilts i have hanging in my wall, three have the cups welded to the quillons. Not counting with equal number in my archives, which i timely deaccessed.
Rings in locks of firearms are completely a different business. While fixing screws in sword cups serve basically on a permanent basis (except for sporadic maintenance ?), those in (flint) gun locks are more handy that vented head screws and serve to often unscrew to change the flint, whether worn or broken.

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[Jim McDougall]

Actually these were more what I was thinking of. While earlier than these cup hilts, these as types were surely still around.

Those rapiers of yours are amazing Fernando!

[fernando]

Ah ... i have a copy of that chart, which Michael posted here 15 years ago, approaching a gun screws theme. My Deutsch is zero, but i would bet the example i sign is the early version of the one i have shown above.


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[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by fernando

Ah ... i have a copy of that chart, which Michael posted here 15 years ago, approaching a gun screws theme. My Deutsch is zero, but i would bet the example i sign is the early version of the one i have shown above.


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Voila!

[qusko]

Fernando, Jim - thank you for all your answers.

To add to that thread, I've found some other not typical example, with the cup fixed by screws not on the top of the cup, but on the sides of the cup. Adding here to keep it in the same place.

[fernando]

Same system (as yours). Only in this case the arm inside (pas d'ane) is shorter.


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[werecow]

Originally Posted by fernando

Same system (as yours). Only in this case the arm inside (pas d'ane) is shorter.

Not clear why but unless you took it, it looks to me like this picture has been altered or there is at least some sort of artefact in it (EDIT: not entirely impossible that this is an image compression artefact now that I think about it); there is a kind of blocky area in the picture right where the arm ends that seems to be a copy/pasted repeated bit from elsewhere in the picture (note the faint horizontal and vertical lines and the repeated bits of texture indicated by the arrows).

Maybe the other arm also extends beyond what we can see... Although the location of the screw still seems to be different.