Blade for identification

David Gallas · 27th March 2023, 12:20 PM

Yes sorry, let me give some extra info. They are all very promissing to me, except for the last keris. Let me explain a little. Last year i became the new PM for the dutch Pencak Silat federation the NPSF, and I am working on 2 big projects now.
Starting the training in fighting and training the spiritual part and maintaining the quality of the blank weapons toghether with Indonesia to the new generation here in Holland. We still have a lot of pusaka that are beeing used here.
And a big international cultural event in Holland with an exposition of museum peaces of the museum Banten and the Lamakkawa Bone collection with beautiful golden keris from the Bone kingdom.
Also a big Indonesian delegation is comming like Guru besar Ki Kunbang and Guru Besar Parewa La Mataesso Sopeng with the police of Banten.But also Mr K. H. Tb. Sangadiah, the museum director of the Banten Museumis comming.
Prof Dr Rudy Heriyanto is also comming, writer of the book The Golok. All comming to give seminars here in Holland.
We already met in november, and trained toghether, and we are supporting their mission to also bring the Golok to Unesco. So i have the unique chance to learn a lot from first hand...
So the fact that those blank weapons came to me on this moment is a good coincident!

The 2 Lampung keris are perfect for me, with the typical grip and the Sepukal blade, just as they wanted it in east Sumatra. They were made for his grand-parents so i gues maybe 1910 to 1930?
The 3rd keris is the family pusaka and is old. He couldn't tell me how old, but he was talking about several generations.

Interesting Kai, i must admit that i only know a little about the east Javanese keris...

I tried to make some better pictures of the first 3 keris

David Gallas · 27th March 2023, 12:27 PM

Oh yes about the name Rudus. The Sumatran people who live in Holland call it Rudus. Most of them are mixed, have Dutch fathers and Indonesian mothers.. Like the gentlman on the picture, he is very light skin, but his brother is very dark skin..

David Gallas · 27th March 2023, 03:52 PM

Aha, the sun starts shining in Belgium, now i have some good light.

The first picture is from the Patrem Sepukal blade, the second also from the Sepukal blade but the large keris, but i see that it has some kind of pamor patern in the blade. The 3rd pictrue is from their family pusaka. And the last picture is from the keris i do not realy understand what it is and an extra picture of the gonjo. It is a realy big and heavy blade.

David · 27th March 2023, 03:55 PM

Hi David. I am afraid i was quite serious about the fact that we do not discuss blades that are not keris on this forum. Please post these other blades on the Ethno Forum if you would like feedback on them. Thanks!

kai · 27th March 2023, 05:58 PM

Thanks for the additional pics, David!

Ok, let's stick with the keris here only:
As mentioned, I feel all 3 examples coming from a similar environment, possibly made by village bladesmiths. It is interesting to note the strong differences in the laminations (pamor). The separate gonjo of the one on the right does seem to be made from very different stock than the blade, indeed. Unless there are any clear signs of later replacement, it still might be original; at least I'm having a hard time why anyone would fiddle around with such a blade, especially since it apparently left Indonesia only a few decades after its manufacture. (This type of pamor is not what we see on well-preserved early keris, even if repolished.)

I still like the keris second from right; it's an old blade in reasonable condition that should restore well. I'd posit it originally came from Madura as a trade blade.

Regards,
Kai

David Gallas · 27th March 2023, 06:28 PM

No problem David, your right!

Thank you Kai!

27th March 2023, 12:27 PM	#2
David Gallas Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 24	Oh yes about the name Rudus. The Sumatran people who live in Holland call it Rudus. Most of them are mixed, have Dutch fathers and Indonesian mothers.. Like the gentlman on the picture, he is very light skin, but his brother is very dark skin.. Attached Images

27th March 2023, 03:52 PM	#3
David Gallas Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 24	Aha, the sun starts shining in Belgium, now i have some good light. The first picture is from the Patrem Sepukal blade, the second also from the Sepukal blade but the large keris, but i see that it has some kind of pamor patern in the blade. The 3rd pictrue is from their family pusaka. And the last picture is from the keris i do not realy understand what it is and an extra picture of the gonjo. It is a realy big and heavy blade. Attached Images

27th March 2023, 12:20 PM	#1
David Gallas Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 24	Yes sorry, let me give some extra info. They are all very promissing to me, except for the last keris. Let me explain a little. Last year i became the new PM for the dutch Pencak Silat federation the NPSF, and I am working on 2 big projects now. Starting the training in fighting and training the spiritual part and maintaining the quality of the blank weapons toghether with Indonesia to the new generation here in Holland. We still have a lot of pusaka that are beeing used here. And a big international cultural event in Holland with an exposition of museum peaces of the museum Banten and the Lamakkawa Bone collection with beautiful golden keris from the Bone kingdom. Also a big Indonesian delegation is comming like Guru besar Ki Kunbang and Guru Besar Parewa La Mataesso Sopeng with the police of Banten.But also Mr K. H. Tb. Sangadiah, the museum director of the Banten Museumis comming. Prof Dr Rudy Heriyanto is also comming, writer of the book The Golok. All comming to give seminars here in Holland. We already met in november, and trained toghether, and we are supporting their mission to also bring the Golok to Unesco. So i have the unique chance to learn a lot from first hand... So the fact that those blank weapons came to me on this moment is a good coincident! The 2 Lampung keris are perfect for me, with the typical grip and the Sepukal blade, just as they wanted it in east Sumatra. They were made for his grand-parents so i gues maybe 1910 to 1930? The 3rd keris is the family pusaka and is old. He couldn't tell me how old, but he was talking about several generations. Interesting Kai, i must admit that i only know a little about the east Javanese keris... I tried to make some better pictures of the first 3 keris

27th March 2023, 03:55 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,213	Hi David. I am afraid i was quite serious about the fact that we do not discuss blades that are not keris on this forum. Please post these other blades on the Ethno Forum if you would like feedback on them. Thanks!

27th March 2023, 05:58 PM	#5
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Thanks for the additional pics, David! Ok, let's stick with the keris here only: As mentioned, I feel all 3 examples coming from a similar environment, possibly made by village bladesmiths. It is interesting to note the strong differences in the laminations (pamor). The separate gonjo of the one on the right does seem to be made from very different stock than the blade, indeed. Unless there are any clear signs of later replacement, it still might be original; at least I'm having a hard time why anyone would fiddle around with such a blade, especially since it apparently left Indonesia only a few decades after its manufacture. (This type of pamor is not what we see on well-preserved early keris, even if repolished.) I still like the keris second from right; it's an old blade in reasonable condition that should restore well. I'd posit it originally came from Madura as a trade blade. Regards, Kai

27th March 2023, 06:28 PM	#6
David Gallas Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 24	No problem David, your right! Thank you Kai!