Chronological listing of Polish-Lithuanian and Hungarian sabers

Teisani · 22nd March 2023, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Victrix

Note silk knots through specially dedicated holes in the sword grips.

Yes, in my opinion a very "Ottoman" trait. It shows that early 16th century Kingdom of Hungary troops still had some basically identical kit to Ottoman troops. Note, I use Ottoman for simplicity. Check out these "wounded Uzbek prisoner" themed artworks. Notice the sword-knots, very faint unfortunately. Some are hanging on the cross-guard to stop them from flopping around. All have banana-hilts

https://www.flickr.com/photos/persia...ng/36136461795
https://artgallery.yale.edu/collections/objects/91394

Teisani · 22nd March 2023, 11:33 AM

At some point the Ottoman cavalry started to adopt the koncerz. And Ottoman miniatures can provide a wealth of knowledge.
http://warfare.tk/Ottoman/Suleymanname/Suleymanname.htm
Here is an illustrations from the Süleymanname 1558 showing Ottoman Deli Sinan fighting against the Hungarian Eugene at the battle of Mohacs 1526. Notice the koncerz under the deli's left thigh.
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Another one from the same source shows a duel. Both combatants are equipped with koncerz' under their thighs.
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In both instances, the Ottoman's koncerz has an "8-guard".

Teisani · 22nd March 2023, 11:44 AM

More details from thos one. Note, I think that 1572 is the correct date. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...&postcount=105

Teisani · 22nd March 2023, 11:57 AM

King Ferdinand I of Hungary => Nehóczy Boldizsár noble, Bálint Nehóczy noble | renewal of coat of arms 1560. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7283

Teisani · 22nd March 2023, 12:02 PM

Helmets aren't perfect. János II elected Hungarian king => András Kotecz of Sajó | coat of arms 1560.
https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1310

Teisani · 22nd March 2023, 02:03 PM

Member of the elite "rabbit hussars" atop his powerful goat. Year of such calamity, 1582. Armed with lance and wide cross-guard sabre, king Bathory would have been proud to command such destructive potential. Just imagine David Attenborough's voice while reading this

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https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7465

Teisani · 22nd March 2023, 03:16 PM

King Rudolph of Hungary => Ferenc Győry | coat of arms, 1604. Horse with koncerz. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1006

22nd March 2023, 11:33 AM	#2
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	At some point the Ottoman cavalry started to adopt the koncerz. And Ottoman miniatures can provide a wealth of knowledge. http://warfare.tk/Ottoman/Suleymanname/Suleymanname.htm Here is an illustrations from the Süleymanname 1558 showing Ottoman Deli Sinan fighting against the Hungarian Eugene at the battle of Mohacs 1526. Notice the koncerz under the deli's left thigh. Another one from the same source shows a duel. Both combatants are equipped with koncerz' under their thighs. In both instances, the Ottoman's koncerz has an "8-guard".

22nd March 2023, 11:44 AM	#3
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	More details from thos one. Note, I think that 1572 is the correct date. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...&postcount=105 Attached Images

22nd March 2023, 11:57 AM	#4
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	King Ferdinand I of Hungary => Nehóczy Boldizsár noble, Bálint Nehóczy noble \| renewal of coat of arms 1560. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7283 Attached Images

22nd March 2023, 12:02 PM	#5
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	Helmets aren't perfect. János II elected Hungarian king => András Kotecz of Sajó \| coat of arms 1560. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1310 Attached Images

22nd March 2023, 02:03 PM	#6
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	Member of the elite "rabbit hussars" atop his powerful goat. Year of such calamity, 1582. Armed with lance and wide cross-guard sabre, king Bathory would have been proud to command such destructive potential. Just imagine David Attenborough's voice while reading this . https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7465 Attached Images

22nd March 2023, 03:16 PM	#7
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	King Rudolph of Hungary => Ferenc Győry \| coat of arms, 1604. Horse with koncerz. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1006 Attached Images