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Old 20th March 2023, 01:27 PM   #1
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Ferdinand III 1645. Another L-guard. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1199
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Ferdinand II king of Hungary. 1628. L-guard sabre.
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Ulászló II king of Hungary 1515. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/3834
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Bethlen Gábor 1624 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/262
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Lipot king of Hungary. 1660 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7147
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Miksa or Maximilian1569
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Old 20th March 2023, 03:59 PM   #7
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This one is interesting. It has the same turned quillons as in the Telegdi Miklós effigy. Dated 1615. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1925
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Note silk knots through specially dedicated holes in the sword grips.
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Same CoA as this one http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...&postcount=100. But from 90 years later. Ferdinand II king of Hungary grants Sándor Bakács of Szentgyörgyvölgyi CoA, 1622. Reverse L-guard on his koncerz. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/249

"By giving his horse to Palatine János Bánffy in the Battle of Mohács, Sándor Bakács saved his life"
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King Janos grants CoA in 1533. Early Ottoman-like, short quillons https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...azis/adatlap/2
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Ferdinand I king of Hungary grants CoA in 1559. Koncerz vs. Lance! He seems to have been pierced by the lance in his forearm. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7285
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Note silk knots through specially dedicated holes in the sword grips.
Yes, in my opinion a very "Ottoman" trait. It shows that early 16th century Kingdom of Hungary troops still had some basically identical kit to Ottoman troops. Note, I use Ottoman for simplicity. Check out these "wounded Uzbek prisoner" themed artworks. Notice the sword-knots, very faint unfortunately. Some are hanging on the cross-guard to stop them from flopping around. All have banana-hilts
https://www.flickr.com/photos/persia...ng/36136461795
https://artgallery.yale.edu/collections/objects/91394
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Old 22nd March 2023, 10:33 AM   #13
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At some point the Ottoman cavalry started to adopt the koncerz. And Ottoman miniatures can provide a wealth of knowledge.
http://warfare.tk/Ottoman/Suleymanname/Suleymanname.htm
Here is an illustrations from the Süleymanname 1558 showing Ottoman Deli Sinan fighting against the Hungarian Eugene at the battle of Mohacs 1526. Notice the koncerz under the deli's left thigh.
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Another one from the same source shows a duel. Both combatants are equipped with koncerz' under their thighs.
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In both instances, the Ottoman's koncerz has an "8-guard".
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Old 22nd March 2023, 10:44 AM   #14
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More details from thos one. Note, I think that 1572 is the correct date. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...&postcount=105
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