Chronological listing of Polish-Lithuanian and Hungarian sabers

Teisani · 20th March 2023, 02:23 PM

Ferdinand I king of Hungary 1549. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...azis/adatlap/8

Teisani · 20th March 2023, 02:27 PM

Ferdinand III 1645. Another L-guard. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1199

Teisani · 20th March 2023, 02:45 PM

Ferdinand II king of Hungary. 1628. L-guard sabre.
https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/287

Teisani · 20th March 2023, 04:18 PM

Ulászló II king of Hungary 1515. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/3834

Teisani · 20th March 2023, 04:21 PM

Bethlen Gábor 1624 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/262

Teisani · 20th March 2023, 04:26 PM

Lipot king of Hungary. 1660 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7147

Teisani · 20th March 2023, 04:32 PM

Miksa or Maximilian1569

Victrix · 21st March 2023, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Teisani

Ulászló II king of Hungary 1515. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/3834

Note silk knots through specially dedicated holes in the sword grips.

Teisani · 21st March 2023, 02:32 PM

Same CoA as this one http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...&postcount=100. But from 90 years later. Ferdinand II king of Hungary grants Sándor Bakács of Szentgyörgyvölgyi CoA, 1622. Reverse L-guard on his koncerz. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/249

"By giving his horse to Palatine János Bánffy in the Battle of Mohács, Sándor Bakács saved his life"

Teisani · 21st March 2023, 03:00 PM

King Janos grants CoA in 1533. Early Ottoman-like, short quillons https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...azis/adatlap/2

Teisani · 22nd March 2023, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Victrix

Note silk knots through specially dedicated holes in the sword grips.

Yes, in my opinion a very "Ottoman" trait. It shows that early 16th century Kingdom of Hungary troops still had some basically identical kit to Ottoman troops. Note, I use Ottoman for simplicity. Check out these "wounded Uzbek prisoner" themed artworks. Notice the sword-knots, very faint unfortunately. Some are hanging on the cross-guard to stop them from flopping around. All have banana-hilts

https://www.flickr.com/photos/persia...ng/36136461795
https://artgallery.yale.edu/collections/objects/91394

Teisani · 22nd March 2023, 11:33 AM

At some point the Ottoman cavalry started to adopt the koncerz. And Ottoman miniatures can provide a wealth of knowledge.
http://warfare.tk/Ottoman/Suleymanname/Suleymanname.htm
Here is an illustrations from the Süleymanname 1558 showing Ottoman Deli Sinan fighting against the Hungarian Eugene at the battle of Mohacs 1526. Notice the koncerz under the deli's left thigh.
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Another one from the same source shows a duel. Both combatants are equipped with koncerz' under their thighs.
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In both instances, the Ottoman's koncerz has an "8-guard".

20th March 2023, 02:23 PM	#1
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	Ferdinand I king of Hungary 1549. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...azis/adatlap/8 Attached Images

20th March 2023, 02:27 PM	#2
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	Ferdinand III 1645. Another L-guard. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1199 Attached Images

20th March 2023, 02:45 PM	#3
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	Ferdinand II king of Hungary. 1628. L-guard sabre. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/287 Attached Images

20th March 2023, 04:18 PM	#4
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	Ulászló II king of Hungary 1515. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/3834 Attached Images

20th March 2023, 04:21 PM	#5
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	Bethlen Gábor 1624 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/262 Attached Images

20th March 2023, 04:26 PM	#6
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	Lipot king of Hungary. 1660 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7147 Attached Images

20th March 2023, 04:32 PM	#7
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	Miksa or Maximilian1569 Attached Images

21st March 2023, 02:32 PM	#9
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	Same CoA as this one http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...&postcount=100. But from 90 years later. Ferdinand II king of Hungary grants Sándor Bakács of Szentgyörgyvölgyi CoA, 1622. Reverse L-guard on his koncerz. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/249 "By giving his horse to Palatine János Bánffy in the Battle of Mohács, Sándor Bakács saved his life" Attached Images Last edited by Teisani; 21st March 2023 at 02:49 PM.

21st March 2023, 03:00 PM	#10
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	King Janos grants CoA in 1533. Early Ottoman-like, short quillons https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...azis/adatlap/2 Attached Images

22nd March 2023, 11:33 AM	#12
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	At some point the Ottoman cavalry started to adopt the koncerz. And Ottoman miniatures can provide a wealth of knowledge. http://warfare.tk/Ottoman/Suleymanname/Suleymanname.htm Here is an illustrations from the Süleymanname 1558 showing Ottoman Deli Sinan fighting against the Hungarian Eugene at the battle of Mohacs 1526. Notice the koncerz under the deli's left thigh. Another one from the same source shows a duel. Both combatants are equipped with koncerz' under their thighs. In both instances, the Ottoman's koncerz has an "8-guard".