Bird and Croc?

Sajen · 11th March 2023, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

Don't feel too bad mate.

I bought a 25 luk Kelantan Keris many years ago... I knew it was special and I knew I wanted it for my collection... I did not notice for weeks, perhaps longer, that one face was malela and absent of any pamor, the reverse, a non-malela face, with a combination of the most complex talismanic pamors seen only in old Patani manuscripts

I think I was too enamoured in the luks and gold.

There have been a few WTF moments over the years.... you aren't alone...

It just annoys me that I looked but didn't see!

JeffS · 12th March 2023, 01:51 AM

The beak is classic parrot (head is crested, cockatoo?) but the dramatic tail plummage doesnt fit. The whorled "croc eyes" may be being clutched by the feet of the bird. Unclear what is under the chin.

Gavin Nugent · 12th March 2023, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

It just annoys me that I looked but didn't see!

I just embrace and laugh at this thing we call being human...

JoeCanada42 · 13th March 2023, 11:18 PM

Sorry that I lost my cool in my last thread. I read the older threads as suggested. and I got one of your recommended books from the library on its way.

I have something I would like to share about the imagery your looking at, just what I see.
I have done some research and think there is some interesting stuff that can be said..

kai · 14th March 2023, 12:58 PM

The primary interpretation certainly is flowers - these are commonly found on Madura carvings (coastal Chinese influence, I believe).

There certainly could be (and probably are) additional layers of symbolism added.

Regards,
Kai

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JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	Sorry that I lost my cool in my last thread. I read the older threads as suggested. and I got one of your recommended books from the library on its way. I have something I would like to share about the imagery your looking at, just what I see. I have done some research and think there is some interesting stuff that can be said.. Attached Images

12th March 2023, 01:51 AM	#2
JeffS Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 423	The beak is classic parrot (head is crested, cockatoo?) but the dramatic tail plummage doesnt fit. The whorled "croc eyes" may be being clutched by the feet of the bird. Unclear what is under the chin.

14th March 2023, 12:58 PM	#5
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	The primary interpretation certainly is flowers - these are commonly found on Madura carvings (coastal Chinese influence, I believe). There certainly could be (and probably are) additional layers of symbolism added. Regards, Kai