Figural !

[Gavin Nugent]

Not wanting to move of the hulu topic, but am I seeing a crocodile and a bird in the carvings?
Both seem to be important figures in sea going cultures.

What is the legend behind the carvings on Detlef's wrongko?

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

Not wanting to move of the hulu topic, but am I seeing a crocodile and a bird in the carvings?
Both seem to be important figures in sea going cultures.

What is the legend behind the carvings on Detlef's wrongko?

Hello Gav,

Frankly said I don't seeing a bird nor a crocodile, I see a wing, yes, but I suppose it's either the Kuda Sembrani (a winged horse, said to coming from the Keraton Suminep) or Garuda, both symbols you can find also in front of some Donoriko hilts, see attached pictures.

Regards,
Detlef

[A. G. Maisey]

Detlef, I would suggest that hot water is not really necessary, and water applied directly to the wood is perhaps not advisable.

Possibly the easiest way to get a glued joint apart is to put it in contact with damp cloth, wrap the cloth around it is what is usually done. It might take a few days, but most joints will usually weaken with this treatment.

Then wait a few weeks until the wood is thoroughly dry.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Detlef, I would suggest that hot water is not really necessary, and water applied directly to the wood is perhaps not advisable.

Possibly the easiest way to get a glued joint apart is to put it in contact with damp cloth, wrap the cloth around it is what is usually done. It might take a few days, but most joints will usually weaken with this treatment.

Then wait a few weeks until the wood is thoroughly dry.

Hello Alan,

I've done something like this before over hot water damp, without any direct contact to the water. A wet cloth around the joint gives more contact to the wood I guess.
But like said, I will let it first in this condition, it looks much better now and will be a later project. And I think that I only fill up the missing piece of wood.

Regards,
Detlef

[A. G. Maisey]

Detlef, the problem with holding a piece of timber over hot water to loosen adhesive is that there can be risk of raising the grain of the wood, thus creating a situation where you could need to refinish the entire piece.

If you use a damp --- only damp, not dripping water --- cloth & cold water, that risk of raising the grain is reduced to a minimum.

In fact, with fine cabinet work, and other types of fine finishing of timber, we deliberately raise the grain prior to polishing, I was taught to do this by using a damp cloth and then a hot iron on the damp cloth, but these days I often use an electric steam iron.

Additionally, now we sometimes find that a repair has been done with other than ordinary wood adhesives, these will not loosen up from the damp by softening the adhesive, but with damp and time, the grain of the wood itself will usually weaken and you can separate the joint.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Detlef, the problem with holding a piece of timber over hot water to loosen adhesive is that there can be risk of raising the grain of the wood, thus creating a situation where you could need to refinish the entire piece.

If you use a damp --- only damp, not dripping water --- cloth & cold water, that risk of raising the grain is reduced to a minimum.

In fact, with fine cabinet work, and other types of fine finishing of timber, we deliberately raise the grain prior to polishing, I was taught to do this by using a damp cloth and then a hot iron on the damp cloth, but these days I often use an electric steam iron.

Additionally, now we sometimes find that a repair has been done with other than ordinary wood adhesives, these will not loosen up from the damp by softening the adhesive, but with damp and time, the grain of the wood itself will usually weaken and you can separate the joint.

Hello Alan,

It seems that I have had good luck before.
Thank you for the very useful tips, I am sure that you know what you are talking about!

Regards,
Detlef

[David]

All interesting stuff gentlemen, but just a reminder that this is a thread specifically dedicated to figural hilts.
Carry on...