Sudanese spears of Mahdist Period 1881-1899

[Jim McDougall]

Thank you so much Ed, and for that link......2013...10 years ago, wow! Time really goes by! amazing how much info in that discussion, and your knowledge and field experience in these topics is profound.

As you note, the spears are seldom ever addressed in discussions on Sudanese topics, despite the fact of their importance among tribal warriors there.
These are great insights as to some of the key tribal preferences. It seems that so many times over the years many have somehow seen those barbed 'fishing' spears as deliberately horrible weapons for warfare. as you note, this is quite unlikely as the weapon cannot be pulled back.

I am wondering on my example, which seems to have a bit different shape but is indeed quite large, may be intended as a 'standard'...in the manner of the example shown with the ivory handle. The 'decorative' script overall seems, like thuluth, to be based on repetitive wording or phrases, but arranged in accord with the shape of the blade.

[Tim Simmons]

I have that chaps spear. Also its the one that killed Gordon don't you know.

[Edster]

Apparently, every afternoon, certainly "frequently", the Khalifa held a big parade-like affair on a big field in Omdurman to whip up the faithful. Likely, your spear blade could have been used as a standard along with the flags, troops and drummers to keep the festivities going. It's a little small for battle, even for small units where the flags and mounted amirs provided directions. Yet religious figures could have hoisted it instead of a sword. Of course all of this is just a guess.

[Jim McDougall]

I'd say pretty well placed guess Ed. That makes sense as when the Mahdi, who was supposed to be Messianic died of typhus, a very earthly cause.
The Khaliph, his successor, had to find ways to keep the impetus of the jihad and keep the forces energized by keeping the Mahdi's magic and influence the driving force.
I believe this was the idea behind the heavily thuluth laden weaponry, and regalia as well as these kinds of events, and quite frankly seems to have achieved the desired results.

As I have understood, there were indeed Holy Men on the field who had various weapons and items to tend to the fallen and secure their passage to paradise through prescribed blessings and ritual.This was the purpose of some of the items and weapons that seemed less than battle worthy, again, as I have seen noted.

[Tim Simmons]

Originally Posted by Edster

Apparently, every afternoon, certainly "frequently", the Khalifa held a big parade-like affair on a big field in Omdurman to whip up the faithful. Likely, your spear blade could have been used as a standard along with the flags, troops and drummers to keep the festivities going. It's a little small for battle, even for small units where the flags and mounted amirs provided directions. Yet religious figures could have hoisted it instead of a sword. Of course all of this is just a guess.

Not sure about being too small for battle. The blade alone is 30 inches long and the spine starts at 1/2 inch thick.

[Edster]

Tim,

My opinion is based thusly. If Jim's floor tiles are 12 X 12, the blade length is of that scale. The blade is riveted to the shaft, not very strong. Plus, the shaft is around a foot long, certainly too short and out of balance with the blade for two handed close combat. Better battle options were available.

Best,
Ed

[Tim Simmons]

Sorry Ed misunderstood which spear you were mentioning.

[Edster]

Tim,

No problems. I wasn't specific enough in my reply to Jim. Your spear is quite formidable. Wouldn't want to be on the "receiving end" of it.

Ed

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by Edster

Tim,

My opinion is based thusly. If Jim's floor tiles are 12 X 12, the blade length is of that scale. The blade is riveted to the shaft, not very strong. Plus, the shaft is around a foot long, certainly too short and out of balance with the blade for two handed close combat. Better battle options were available.

Best,
Ed

Ed, I gotta say again, Holmes pales next to your forensics!! Purely elementary right? but I sure never thought of the 'tiles standard' .
As you say, while this blade is substantial, I always thought it too large and without any sort of ribbing etc, plus as you note, the shaft which would fail on impact.
Coupled with the notable applied decoration/exhortations etc. which seem more aligned with courtly character (aside from the crudely etched thuluth on the kaskaras and sundry arms from Omdurman and Khartoum shops).

Best
Jim

PS: In rechecking the notorious tiles, they were 16x16" .

[G. Mansfield]

Jim, I too agree that your spearhead example to be a alam standard due to the decoration of thuluth and form, and like Ed stated, this would not funtion well in actual battle other than rallying the warriors. It is likely a ceremonial or parade piece. It is although a very nice example of the type. I have a similar examplar, with thuluth on a Mahdist replica throwing knife with symbolism of crescent moons, stars, and pseudo- Arabic writing that may just be imitated calligraphy. It is missing its grip which was likely reptile skin.

Also attached are pictures of a javelin head that comes from the Sudan Region. I still have not narrowed it in exacly where but it may originate between Chad, Darfur, and the Kordofan area (?) The blade fullers and shape remind me of Tubu and Darfur bladed short swords found in Western Sudan and Eastern Chad. The socket is however twisted and not typical for the area (?) I am assuming this at one point in its lifetime was complete with a shaft and possibly a butt which at one point broke and the reptile grip was added and became a scepter...something often seen during the Mahdist time period. See http://oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=3820 and http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1872

-Geoffrey

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by G. Mansfield

Jim, I too agree that your spearhead example to be a alam standard due to the decoration of thuluth and form, and like Ed stated, this would not funtion well in actual battle other than rallying the warriors. It is likely a ceremonial or parade piece. It is although a very nice example of the type. I have a similar examplar, with thuluth on a Mahdist replica throwing knife with symbolism of crescent moons, stars, and pseudo- Arabic writing that may just be imitated calligraphy. It is missing its grip which was likely reptile skin.

Also attached are pictures of a javelin head that comes from the Sudan Region. I still have not narrowed it in exacly where but it may originate between Chad, Darfur, and the Kordofan area (?) The blade fullers and shape remind me of Tubu and Darfur bladed short swords found in Western Sudan and Eastern Chad. The socket is however twisted and not typical for the area (?) I am assuming this at one point in its lifetime was complete with a shaft and possibly a butt which at one point broke and the reptile grip was added and became a scepter...something often seen during the Mahdist time period. See http://oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=3820 and http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1872

-Geoffrey

Thank you! Great examples you add here as well.
I think trying to classify these items regionally is typically pretty futile as diffusion among tribal groups usually transcends geography.
My example may well be intended ceremonially, likely in the daily assemblies held by the Khaliph for the following, as noted by Ed.

Thank you again for these additions! Exactly what I was hoping for in examining these aspects of Sudanese arms.