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Damn! Found another one of those depictions. This one is from Códice De Trajes, 1547.
http://warfare.ueuo.com/Renaissance/...Trajes-59v.htm And here's what that hat is "Mamluk red zamṭ hat". So his hat was very much associated with the Mamluks. http://blog.slow-venice.com/fashion-...demia-gallery/ http://warfare.ga/16/Carpaccio-St_Ge...nites-zamt.htm https://www.rct.uk/collection/990062...uk-dignitaries https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...the_Louvre.jpg https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File...giorgio_01.jpg So the similarity between Wallachian and Mamluk depictions seems to be a coincidence only. |
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http://bdh-rd.bne.es/viewer.vm?id=0000052132&page=1 Searching in connection with this new version I found that according to at least one 16th century Wappenbuch, the coat of arms seen in some of the versions was attributed to Osman I. I am quite sure that this should not be taken literally, but instead symbolizes the transfer of authority from the Byzantines to the Ottomans. http://www.hubert-herald.nl/ByzantiumArms.htm |
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Here's another example how depictions get reused over time.
1 Báthory Zsigmond and George I Rákóczi. https://ro.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiși...gmond_1596.jpg https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...II_Rakoczy.jpg 2 Michael the Brave and Gheorghe Ștefan https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...i_Viteazul.jpg https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...and_02_311.jpg ======================== Also, another example of that wool hat that Wallachians are depicted with. Portrait of Michael the Brave. https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...i_Viteazul.jpg |
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Here's another example of the same depiction used for two different people, Bathory Istvan and False Dmitry I.
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...33_-_1586).jpg https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...ump-to-license |
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This just gets weirder and weirder.
1 - two Michael the Brave portraits combined to give on Andrei Movilă/Andrzej Mohyła. https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...i_Viteazul.jpg https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...aiViteazul.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rij_Mohyla.jpg 2 - how about this portrait of Bethlen Gabor (see attached picture), which is actually another portrait of Michael the Brave. Although this likely is a more modern mistaken identity. https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki..._Viteazul).png Last edited by Teisani; 24th January 2023 at 08:03 PM. |
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Last examples:
1 - Gabor Bethlen with and without hat. https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...d_01_439_2.jpg https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...d_01_437_2.jpg 2 - Bocskai István with and without sabre. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ay-istvan1.jpg https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...re_bocskai.jpg After seeing all of this, I now have a healthy dose of scepticism when looking at these old depictions. |
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