Chronological listing of Polish-Lithuanian and Hungarian sabers

Teisani · 5th January 2023, 11:10 PM

9 - Bebek György sabre (continued)

Personal opinion...Bebek's sabre seems to be a typical (my estimates 1540s to 1590s) boot hilt, with wire wrap, long quillons (about same length as the handle). Yet it was a gift from the Sultan. The question is whether:
- the Sultan had craftsmen that could make Hungarian style hilts.
- it was a looted by the Ottomans, later gifted to Bebek.
- the sabre's original hilt and scabbard was changed later between the 1565 (release date) and 1567 (year of death). My opinion no likely but who knows.

Really interesting... Bebek's sabre looks very, very similar to this sabre in Sultan Mehmed IV (1642 – 1693) portrait in 1682. I really wonder if this painting is authentic (no idea if yes or no), or why would the Sultan be wearing a Hungarian sabre, 100 years out of date. Really strange! Anybody else have any idea/opinions about this painting?

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed...med_IV_(2).jpg

5th January 2023, 11:10 PM	#23
Teisani Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Romania Posts: 314	9 - Bebek György sabre (continued) Personal opinion...Bebek's sabre seems to be a typical (my estimates 1540s to 1590s) boot hilt, with wire wrap, long quillons (about same length as the handle). Yet it was a gift from the Sultan. The question is whether: - the Sultan had craftsmen that could make Hungarian style hilts. - it was a looted by the Ottomans, later gifted to Bebek. - the sabre's original hilt and scabbard was changed later between the 1565 (release date) and 1567 (year of death). My opinion no likely but who knows. Really interesting... Bebek's sabre looks very, very similar to this sabre in Sultan Mehmed IV (1642 – 1693) portrait in 1682. I really wonder if this painting is authentic (no idea if yes or no), or why would the Sultan be wearing a Hungarian sabre, 100 years out of date. Really strange! Anybody else have any idea/opinions about this painting? Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed...med_IV_(2).jpg Attached Images