Oriental ethno powder flask

fernando · 12th June 2006, 07:58 PM

Sorry to divert.
I don't find a model similar to this in the web or the few books i have.
Could it be Malabar, Indo Persian, ot thereabouts ?
It looks well used and a bit old ...
Would anyone kindly give me a track ?
Thanks a lot
fernando

ward · 12th June 2006, 08:57 PM

afghan charger

ariel · 12th June 2006, 11:41 PM

What tells you that it is Afghan?

ward · 13th June 2006, 04:03 AM

shape of piece plus file work on spring . will post some pics if I get time. This is a very nice piece

fernando · 13th June 2006, 07:31 PM

Thank you Ward.
Quite a surprise this is Afghan, and so it seems for Ariel, too.
I am anxious to see those pictures of yours. I would like to see the use of that empty hole, near the spout cap. It would either be for another hook, like the existing one in the center, for a double suspended "lanyard", or for some device to hold the spout cap tightly closed. I hope your pictures will help to find that out.
Thanks again

ward · 13th June 2006, 11:21 PM

Here is a quick pic

fernando · 14th June 2006, 12:20 AM

Thank you very much Ward
Very nice and deeply interesting. They all have a common suspension system ... double hanging from paralel rings, the only basic difference between those and mine.
I wonder what is the use of that little portruding device in the container bottom. I see now that mine use to have one of those, but is cut off now.
If ever you get a bit more defined picture, kindly do.
BTW, any specific region in Afghanistan they come from ?
Thanks again

ward · 14th June 2006, 12:56 AM

Here are some better images. I have to reduce the size of the photos so much I lose detail. Beyond being Turkoman I have never found a more detailed exact source in regard to cities.the bump protruding from the bottom of yours is the end of rod holding spring to container

fernando · 14th June 2006, 01:39 AM

Beautifull and informative set. Still lots of detail can be observed, including the genuine chain. It's amazing that not much gunpowder you could keep in these reduced flasks ... something i will search further. I think i will now hang my example next to my Jezail Rifle stand. Thanks again for your pictures and explanation.

Rick · 14th June 2006, 02:50 AM

I would venture a guess that these were for priming the pan rather than dispensing a pre measured charge for the projectile .

ward · 14th June 2006, 02:18 PM

yes I agree. It is used for priming. Much finer powder was used in pan than in the main charge.

fernando · 14th June 2006, 08:16 PM

Thank you Rick ... good shot.
You are obviously right.
I was silly i didn't think twice, i should have figured this one myself, if i first reread my own little resources in the subject. Not only priming flasks contained finer powder, as also prevailled in use for priming the casserole ( pan ) even when pre-packed charges were already carried in units ( later cartridges ) for the bullit loads.
Thank you Ward
Would you guess an age on my piece ? 19th century ?
I promiss this is the last question ... i am already exceeding the reasonable extension for a thread out of the Forum vocation ... and your patience.
fernando

ward · 15th June 2006, 01:32 PM

19h century sounds about right .

fernando · 15th June 2006, 01:42 PM

Much obliged

12th June 2006, 07:58 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Oriental ethno powder flask Sorry to divert. I don't find a model similar to this in the web or the few books i have. Could it be Malabar, Indo Persian, ot thereabouts ? It looks well used and a bit old ... Would anyone kindly give me a track ? Thanks a lot fernando Attached Images

13th June 2006, 07:31 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Ward. Quite a surprise this is Afghan, and so it seems for Ariel, too. I am anxious to see those pictures of yours. I would like to see the use of that empty hole, near the spout cap. It would either be for another hook, like the existing one in the center, for a double suspended "lanyard", or for some device to hold the spout cap tightly closed. I hope your pictures will help to find that out. Thanks again Attached Images

13th June 2006, 11:21 PM	#6
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Here is a quick pic Attached Images

14th June 2006, 12:20 AM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you very much Ward Very nice and deeply interesting. They all have a common suspension system ... double hanging from paralel rings, the only basic difference between those and mine. I wonder what is the use of that little portruding device in the container bottom. I see now that mine use to have one of those, but is cut off now. If ever you get a bit more defined picture, kindly do. BTW, any specific region in Afghanistan they come from ? Thanks again Attached Images

14th June 2006, 12:56 AM	#8
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Here are some better images. I have to reduce the size of the photos so much I lose detail. Beyond being Turkoman I have never found a more detailed exact source in regard to cities.the bump protruding from the bottom of yours is the end of rod holding spring to container Attached Images

12th June 2006, 08:57 PM	#2
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	afghan charger

12th June 2006, 11:41 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	What tells you that it is Afghan?

13th June 2006, 04:03 AM	#4
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	shape of piece plus file work on spring . will post some pics if I get time. This is a very nice piece

14th June 2006, 01:39 AM	#9
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Beautifull and informative set. Still lots of detail can be observed, including the genuine chain. It's amazing that not much gunpowder you could keep in these reduced flasks ... something i will search further. I think i will now hang my example next to my Jezail Rifle stand. Thanks again for your pictures and explanation.

14th June 2006, 02:50 AM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	I would venture a guess that these were for priming the pan rather than dispensing a pre measured charge for the projectile .

14th June 2006, 02:18 PM	#11
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	yes I agree. It is used for priming. Much finer powder was used in pan than in the main charge.

14th June 2006, 08:16 PM	#12
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Rick ... good shot. You are obviously right. I was silly i didn't think twice, i should have figured this one myself, if i first reread my own little resources in the subject. Not only priming flasks contained finer powder, as also prevailled in use for priming the casserole ( pan ) even when pre-packed charges were already carried in units ( later cartridges ) for the bullit loads. Thank you Ward Would you guess an age on my piece ? 19th century ? I promiss this is the last question ... i am already exceeding the reasonable extension for a thread out of the Forum vocation ... and your patience. fernando

15th June 2006, 01:32 PM	#13
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	19h century sounds about right .

15th June 2006, 01:42 PM	#14
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Much obliged