Heinrich Kolle

Triarii · 11th July 2022, 10:28 PM

Whoops.

fernando · 12th July 2022, 10:54 AM

Impossible to figure out. Maybe not so close ... not so unfocused !

werecow · 12th July 2022, 11:35 PM

Maybe number 89 or 90 (Sebastian Hernandez)? Although it almost looks like a mirror image. Could the phone have flipped the image perhaps?

Triarii · 13th July 2022, 11:00 AM

Not sure why they came out so large. They're clearer at a smaller scale like the attachment.

Triarii · 13th July 2022, 03:16 PM

Werecow, the photos are the right way around.

However, although annoyingly I can't get as good a photo as the Mk1 eyeball;

In the bright sun today (makes a change) the circular blob at the top of the shield clearly has a small cross in it.
The crown is clearly visible below that and has multiple points around its top.
However, below is a reversed 3.

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So possibly 89, so possibly Sebastian Hernandez. The text below for No 89 (el viejo Vivia) translates as "the old man lived 1637". I'm not sure if that means 'was active around 1637' or died 1637.
That aligns with the hilt type.

The text for No 90 (el mozo labro tambien en sevilla) translates as "the young man also worked in Seville". Presumably his earlier mark.

Thanks Werecow - I'll look at my other lists of marks to check.

fernando · 13th July 2022, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Triarii

... I'm not sure if that means 'was active around 1637' or died 1637...

Means that there are (written) records of him being alive (at least) in that date.

fernando · 13th July 2022, 05:54 PM

Like so ...

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werecow · 14th July 2022, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Triarii

Werecow, the photos are the right way around.

However, although annoyingly I can't get as good a photo as the Mk1 eyeball;

In the bright sun today (makes a change) the circular blob at the top of the shield clearly has a small cross in it.
The crown is clearly visible below that and has multiple points around its top.
However, below is a reversed 3.

.

So possibly 89, so possibly Sebastian Hernandez. The text below for No 89 (el viejo Vivia) translates as "the old man lived 1637". I'm not sure if that means 'was active around 1637' or died 1637.
That aligns with the hilt type.

The text for No 90 (el mozo labro tambien en sevilla) translates as "the young man also worked in Seville". Presumably his earlier mark.

Thanks Werecow - I'll look at my other lists of marks to check.

I think the "3" in numbers 89 / 90 are a gothic stylized "z", but it's odd that it would be mirrored. Maybe it's a C and the bar at the top of the "3" is just the bottom of the crown?

fernando · 14th July 2022, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by werecow

I think the "3" in numbers 89 / 90 are a gothic stylized "z", but it's odd that it would be mirrored. Maybe it's a C and the bar at the top of the "3" is just the bottom of the crown?

Interesting; this possibility (3 versus Z) was discussed a while back, idon't recall which thread.
Jehan Lhermite on his "Le Passetemps" work mentioned this smith; as also an author i didn't keep record who it was; do i ?
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However i don't think the mark on the discussed sword is that of Sebastian Hernandez; but what do i know ...

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Jim McDougall · 13th July 2022, 04:22 PM

I usually take a picture, go to 'PAINT' and use the size reduction feature, then save. This way the pics go from monstrous size to viewable, also making them compatible to the post in the thread.

fernando · 13th July 2022, 04:50 PM

A detail to take into consideration is that, the new upload features do not reject too large pictures; only bring them to limit size (1200 bits...). This may cause some inconsistecy among the same series of pictures; maybe some within the lot are smaller (trimmed) and unexpectedely grow bigger by program reflection. Just guessing

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Triarii · 13th July 2022, 05:37 PM

I pasted them into the word doc to try and avoid that. There's two shots of each side of the ricasso.

Another shot attached.

SimonM77 · 7th December 2022, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by werecow

Maybe number 89 or 90 (Sebastian Hernandez)? Although it almost looks like a mirror image. Could the phone have flipped the image perhaps?

Do you know which books these are from?

fernando · 7th December 2022, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SimonM77

Do you know which books these are from?

I think i have already given you an answer on that by email, Simon

; even passed you the Palomares PDF full article !

SimonM77 · 7th December 2022, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

I think i have already given you an answer on that by email, Simon

; even passed you the Palomares PDF full article !

Haha! Thats embarrassing!

Sowwy!

11th July 2022, 10:28 PM	#1
Triarii Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: Bristol Posts: 141	Whoops. Attached Images

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werecow Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Leiden, NL Posts: 589	Maybe number 89 or 90 (Sebastian Hernandez)? Although it almost looks like a mirror image. Could the phone have flipped the image perhaps? Last edited by werecow; 13th July 2022 at 01:09 AM. Reason: Added a thought and an image

13th July 2022, 03:16 PM	#5
Triarii Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: Bristol Posts: 141	Werecow, the photos are the right way around. However, although annoyingly I can't get as good a photo as the Mk1 eyeball; In the bright sun today (makes a change) the circular blob at the top of the shield clearly has a small cross in it. The crown is clearly visible below that and has multiple points around its top. However, below is a reversed 3. . So possibly 89, so possibly Sebastian Hernandez. The text below for No 89 (el viejo Vivia) translates as "the old man lived 1637". I'm not sure if that means 'was active around 1637' or died 1637. That aligns with the hilt type. The text for No 90 (el mozo labro tambien en sevilla) translates as "the young man also worked in Seville". Presumably his earlier mark. Thanks Werecow - I'll look at my other lists of marks to check.

13th July 2022, 05:54 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Like so ... . Attached Images

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Triarii Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: Bristol Posts: 141	I pasted them into the word doc to try and avoid that. There's two shots of each side of the ricasso. Another shot attached. Attached Images

12th July 2022, 10:54 AM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Impossible to figure out. Maybe not so close ... not so unfocused !

13th July 2022, 04:22 PM	#10
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,459	I usually take a picture, go to 'PAINT' and use the size reduction feature, then save. This way the pics go from monstrous size to viewable, also making them compatible to the post in the thread.

13th July 2022, 04:50 PM	#11
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	A detail to take into consideration is that, the new upload features do not reject too large pictures; only bring them to limit size (1200 bits...). This may cause some inconsistecy among the same series of pictures; maybe some within the lot are smaller (trimmed) and unexpectedely grow bigger by program reflection. Just guessing .