Are there examples of kukri that lack the distinctive notch(cho)?

kronckew · 18th June 2022, 07:14 AM

A KLO may be a perfectly good knife, thai eneps, Viet knives, other recurved knives, kopis, yataghans, etc., it's just not a khukuri. it's Not a disparaging term.

Kothimora scabbards with good functional older design khukuri are cool. The kardas and chakmaks (aux. blades;m karda is a utility knife, chakmak is a hardened very blunt 'steel' for rubbing out dents in the edge.) don't have a cho (and are not khukuris).

My Hanshee and my Enep: (and I eventually found a nepali museum with an 18c Khuk with a cho-less ricasso. It does have a proto-cho notch. The swords to the left are Indian sosun-pata KLOs.

Pitt1999 · 23rd June 2022, 04:24 AM

Thanks everyone for this information! I was asking more about the traditional Nepalese form, but I like the direction this went with the Kukri Like Objects. Thai enep knives were one of the closest things I have found that resemble a kukri without the cho. Certain examples of Chammoro knives can also resemble a kukri lacking a cho. While I was mulling over this topic I found the Heritage Knives website that features a section dedicated to the history of the military from John Powell, and there is this photo showing multiple kukris. If you look at the one at the very bottom, that example seems to lack the cho entirely, possibly not even having a ricasso. This kukri is the only one that I have seen in the traditional Nepalese form that doesn't even show a trace of the cho.

SidJ · 24th June 2022, 11:47 AM

Here is one of mine without a kaudi.

RobT · 24th June 2022, 06:57 PM

SidJ

Very interesting. Could you supply close ups of the cho area (most especially), hilt, and blade? Blade and hilt lengths would also be good.

Sincerely,
RobT

kronckew · 26th June 2022, 06:25 PM

Hard to tell on that sirupate, sidj.
Some had a closed form like mine:

kronckew · 26th June 2022, 06:29 PM

More cho/kaudi forms:

BBJW · 2nd July 2022, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

Hard to tell on that sirupate, sidj.
Some had a closed form like mine:

This closed style is known as 'Eye of Dove' according to Powell.- bbjw

kronckew · 3rd July 2022, 05:55 AM

Sidj's khuk appears to have an indistinct black spot that may be a cho of losed/open circular form, or could be a rust/dirt spot.

werecow · 23rd July 2022, 03:41 AM

I was fondling my moro keris/kalis tonight - pics attached (sorry about the poor lighting - if anyone is interested I can take a daytime picture) - and I noticed the very cho-like cut-out in the blade. It reminded me of this thread (although I suppose technically it is kind of the anti-thread for it), so I thought I'd ask about it here.

I assume these are related? And if so, is there a connection between the kukri and the kalis? A barong-kukri connection I could see... Both leaf shaped blades and such. But kukri and kalis are quite distinct, and I am not aware of any barong with a cho. It is interesting to see this feature on such different blades.

18th June 2022, 07:14 AM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	A KLO may be a perfectly good knife, thai eneps, Viet knives, other recurved knives, kopis, yataghans, etc., it's just not a khukuri. it's Not a disparaging term. Kothimora scabbards with good functional older design khukuri are cool. The kardas and chakmaks (aux. blades;m karda is a utility knife, chakmak is a hardened very blunt 'steel' for rubbing out dents in the edge.) don't have a cho (and are not khukuris). My Hanshee and my Enep: (and I eventually found a nepali museum with an 18c Khuk with a cho-less ricasso. It does have a proto-cho notch. The swords to the left are Indian sosun-pata KLOs. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 18th June 2022 at 07:40 AM.

23rd June 2022, 04:24 AM	#2
Pitt1999 Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 108	Thanks everyone for this information! I was asking more about the traditional Nepalese form, but I like the direction this went with the Kukri Like Objects. Thai enep knives were one of the closest things I have found that resemble a kukri without the cho. Certain examples of Chammoro knives can also resemble a kukri lacking a cho. While I was mulling over this topic I found the Heritage Knives website that features a section dedicated to the history of the military from John Powell, and there is this photo showing multiple kukris. If you look at the one at the very bottom, that example seems to lack the cho entirely, possibly not even having a ricasso. This kukri is the only one that I have seen in the traditional Nepalese form that doesn't even show a trace of the cho. Attached Images

24th June 2022, 11:47 AM	#3
SidJ Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 207	Here is one of mine without a kaudi. Attached Images

24th June 2022, 06:57 PM	#4
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 536	Close-up Requested SidJ Very interesting. Could you supply close ups of the cho area (most especially), hilt, and blade? Blade and hilt lengths would also be good. Sincerely, RobT Last edited by RobT; 24th June 2022 at 06:59 PM. Reason: additional info requested

26th June 2022, 06:25 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	Hard to tell on that sirupate, sidj. Some had a closed form like mine: Attached Images

26th June 2022, 06:29 PM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	More cho/kaudi forms: Attached Images

3rd July 2022, 05:55 AM	#8
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	Sidj's khuk appears to have an indistinct black spot that may be a cho of losed/open circular form, or could be a rust/dirt spot. Attached Images

23rd July 2022, 03:41 AM	#9
werecow Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Leiden, NL Posts: 553	I was fondling my moro keris/kalis tonight - pics attached (sorry about the poor lighting - if anyone is interested I can take a daytime picture) - and I noticed the very cho-like cut-out in the blade. It reminded me of this thread (although I suppose technically it is kind of the anti-thread for it), so I thought I'd ask about it here. I assume these are related? And if so, is there a connection between the kukri and the kalis? A barong-kukri connection I could see... Both leaf shaped blades and such. But kukri and kalis are quite distinct, and I am not aware of any barong with a cho. It is interesting to see this feature on such different blades. Attached Images