Balinese hulu identification

[milandro]

Indeed I run a search ad there are many examples on line of this type of hilt, whether with or without fangs, the Pot bellied “ baby” showing his genitals is a rather“ common” image.

Despite this, no one (even among the experts of famous auction houses ) seem to have found a “ name”

The Tropen Museum of Amsterdam has one in its collection too.
“..'Ivory kris hilt representing an evil spirit', 1800-1900, ivory, 10.2 cm height, accession number 809-219a, collection of the Tropenmuseum, Amsterdam...”

I find very interesting that many describe the figurine as “ sitting on a flower bed” but to me there seems to be a relation between the position of the exposed penis and the direction of the “ flow” of what looks like bubbles or flowers.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by milandro

Despite this, no one (even among the experts of famous auction houses ) seem to have found a “ name”

Pff, Rare Kumara or Sang Hyang Kumara or Detya Rare, etc.

[Marcokeris]

from the book about hilts by E.A.N. Van Veenendaal

[A. G. Maisey]

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=rare+kumara

[milandro]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

from the book about hilts by E.A.N. Van Veenendaal

Thank you! the best way to teach is to give information without any attempt to deride ignorance

[A. G. Maisey]

I wrote something about these child totogans some time back for a friend, I'm sure he will not object to me sharing it.

In fact, once the fangs come into the picture, it is not Rare Kumara, but Rare Angon.

Here is a lift from what I wrote:-

"--- these naked little boy figures can be understood as either Sang Hyang Rare Kumara who was Siwa's son --- adopted I think --- or as Dewa Rare Angon, who is an aspect of Siwa himself.

In Javanese "rare" is the alternative spelling of "lare" which is literary usage for "young child". Javanese literary usage is mostly from Kawi, which in turn is mostly Sanskrit. Sanskrit formed a large part of Old Javanese (as distinct from Modern Javanese) and Modern Balinese is based upon Old Javanese & the indigenous Balinese languages.

In Balinese language the word "rare" (the final "e" is accented= Pron:- 'Rahreh') means a baby or a young child, but when we use it as a part of a name, it becomes the name. "Sang Hyang" is a title for a God, "sang" is an epithet, "hyang" is a Hindu God title, this "Sang Hyang" is often represented as simply "Dewa" = the short title for a deity.

There is a wayang story that involves Dewa Rare (ie, Sang Hyang Rare) that boils down to him escaping danger, so Dewa Rare is regarded as the God of children who protects children. He is a part of the Yadnya ceremony, and also at least one of the ceremonies performed for the safety of a baby , I think it might be the seventh ceremony, not sure.

The other way a Rare motif can be understood is as an aspect of Siwa (ie, Shiva). This is Rare Angon, whose other names are Mahakala and Rudra.
In this case I would expect to see a representation of fangs in the motif, because Rare Angon has a demonic nature.

He is the son of Siwa and Uma. Story is more or less like this:- Uma had sex with a cowherd whose name was Rare Angon, but in reality, Rare Angon was Siwa in disguise. Lots more to the story but not relevant to this motif.---"

[milandro]

I was wondering if this was the same figure as one I have just bought it is a man (adult) with one hand (right) holding his penis and the other one one of his buttock.

The carving is I think Indonesian and I have seen it before. It is mounted on a block of wood and MAY (but the hole where a stud to support it is not too deep) be even used on a kris with a short peksi

[milandro]

Originally Posted by milandro

I was wondering if this was the same figure as one I have just bought it is a man (adult) with one hand (right) holding his penis and the other one one of his buttock.

The carving is I think Indonesian and I have seen it before. It is mounted on a block of wood and MAY (but the hole where a stud to support it is not too deep) be even used on a kris with a short peksi

The object that I have ( I won’t post a picture because I intend to sell it) appears to be a betelnut chisel/crusher/pestel hilt.

The image may even be the one of the god mentioned above. I have found another one on line with an erected penis image , so it may not be as weird as I originally thought.

[David]

Originally Posted by milandro

I find very interesting that many describe the figurine as “ sitting on a flower bed” but to me there seems to be a relation between the position of the exposed penis and the direction of the “ flow” of what looks like bubbles or flowers.

As with many things Indonesian there is probably more than one meaning at work here, but i believe that what you refer to is probably firstly meant to represent the Tumpal Throne that we see in many Bali hilts as well as a few Javanese ones. But given the positioning off the figure it does often seem to look like a flow of the figures urine.
I found this article discussing this little fellow as well.
https://issuu.com/armscavalcade/docs...020/s/11135230

[Anthony G.]

Originally Posted by David

As with many things Indonesian there is probably more than one meaning at work here, but i believe that what you refer to is probably firstly meant to represent the Tumpal Throne that we see in many Bali hilts as well as a few Javanese ones. But given the positioning off the figure it does often seem to look like a flow of the figures urine.
I found this article discussing this little fellow as well.
https://issuu.com/armscavalcade/docs...020/s/11135230

So he is actually a deity if i interpreted it correctly. My Balinese pal gave a wrong representation as he called it a demon. Maybe the fangs. Either way, this figure reminds me of my childhood running around in the farm.