DOEHOENG KASOENDAN (A Soenda Perspective)

jagabuwana · 5th April 2022, 04:49 AM

Alan - I'd like to confirm that what I'm seeing is correct because it's not so clear to my eyes.

Does the relief show a sheath that looks like a sandang walikat wrongko, and a pistol grip-shaped handle?

A. G. Maisey · 5th April 2022, 08:12 AM

Absolutely correct JB.

There is another relief carving in the same location and with same time & place of origin that shows this style of wrongko too, but the carving is not as clear as this one.

Across in East Jawa at Candi Panataran (Penataran), near Blitar, state temple of Majapahit, we can find a representation of a wrongko that is 100% Bugis.

When we get to digging a bit and looking at the old, original evidence we do sometimes find a few unusual things.

A. G. Maisey · 5th April 2022, 01:31 PM

Candi Panataran, State temple of Majapahit, about 1200AD to 1450AD

jagabuwana · 6th April 2022, 05:33 AM

Yeah that does look quite Bugis-like, with what appears to be a figural hilt.

In the first relief, is much known about the social class / role of the persona holding the keris?

A. G. Maisey · 6th April 2022, 07:44 AM

In respect of hilts and dress forms, a lot has changed in the last five or six hundred years.

Here is the stele from which the kneeling figure has been taken, it shows a man & woman kneeling in front of a priest, the kneeling figure can probably be interpreted as the priest's servant.

I think it was Callenfels who interpreted this scene as Sedewa expressing his respect to Tambapetra together with Tambapetra's daughter, Pedopo.

This stele is part of a series of reliefs on stele that tells the Sudamala story --- this refers to the Murwokolo ritual to free somebody from evil (mala) and make them pure (suda).

Gustav · 6th April 2022, 01:09 PM

The sheath from Candi Sukuh could also be a form similar to the Jamprahan from Bali. Such Ladrangan without Angkup we encounter also on island of Java.

On Panataran carving the overall shape of Gambar can be compared to Bugis Sampir, but Gandar is strongly tapering, very possibly with a curl at the end, in a way comparable to Piha Kaetta sheath.

A. G. Maisey · 6th April 2022, 09:38 PM

True Gustav, but here we are looking at roots, we are not looking at forms that developed from these roots.

5th April 2022, 01:31 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Candi Panataran, State temple of Majapahit, about 1200AD to 1450AD Attached Images

6th April 2022, 07:44 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	In respect of hilts and dress forms, a lot has changed in the last five or six hundred years. Here is the stele from which the kneeling figure has been taken, it shows a man & woman kneeling in front of a priest, the kneeling figure can probably be interpreted as the priest's servant. I think it was Callenfels who interpreted this scene as Sedewa expressing his respect to Tambapetra together with Tambapetra's daughter, Pedopo. This stele is part of a series of reliefs on stele that tells the Sudamala story --- this refers to the Murwokolo ritual to free somebody from evil (mala) and make them pure (suda). Attached Images

5th April 2022, 04:49 AM	#1
jagabuwana Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 292	Alan - I'd like to confirm that what I'm seeing is correct because it's not so clear to my eyes. Does the relief show a sheath that looks like a sandang walikat wrongko, and a pistol grip-shaped handle?

5th April 2022, 08:12 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Absolutely correct JB. There is another relief carving in the same location and with same time & place of origin that shows this style of wrongko too, but the carving is not as clear as this one. Across in East Jawa at Candi Panataran (Penataran), near Blitar, state temple of Majapahit, we can find a representation of a wrongko that is 100% Bugis. When we get to digging a bit and looking at the old, original evidence we do sometimes find a few unusual things.

6th April 2022, 05:33 AM	#4
jagabuwana Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 292	Yeah that does look quite Bugis-like, with what appears to be a figural hilt. In the first relief, is much known about the social class / role of the persona holding the keris?

6th April 2022, 01:09 PM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	The sheath from Candi Sukuh could also be a form similar to the Jamprahan from Bali. Such Ladrangan without Angkup we encounter also on island of Java. On Panataran carving the overall shape of Gambar can be compared to Bugis Sampir, but Gandar is strongly tapering, very possibly with a curl at the end, in a way comparable to Piha Kaetta sheath.

6th April 2022, 09:38 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	True Gustav, but here we are looking at roots, we are not looking at forms that developed from these roots.