metal or fiber wraps on a kris gandar

milandro · 27th March 2022, 09:07 AM

very nice indeed. I guess some amount of glue would be needed to have a tight fit and that may have ben natural glues in the past or artificial ones now.

I am not much of a DIY but enjoy these things (at least seeing them) ,unfortunately specific information on the manufacture of anything kris related is very sketchy and for the most part in local languages.

this is a video about something else but the wrapping technique ( especially the way he closes the wrap) can be very useful as an inspiration (it would be nice if there would be a way for this forum to embed videos so that they can be played directly )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnWD58gWY10

milandro · 8th June 2022, 10:06 AM

I am coming back to this thread which I started because I’ve bought a Bugis kris which obviously has had, at some point, one of this wraps or ligatures. I am still wondering on how to make one in the best possible way for someone with two left hands.

David · 9th June 2022, 01:32 PM

I not at all sure what was going on with this particular sheath Milandro. Whatever was here is not the same kind of wrap that i posted on my keris above, which i believe is meant to preserve the stem from wear and damage. I don't see any reason why the wood would need to be notched like this to place a wrap on the sheath. I suspect there is something non-traditional at work here. These grooves are rather inexpertly carved here. It may have been someone's idea of a repair and may have even been done outside of the culture.
But it would certainly improve the look of this sheath to lay either a fiber or wire wrap into those grooves to fill them up. May suggestion would be to work with some kind of nature fiber cord. It is inexpensive and whatever you do would not be permanent so if it doesn't turn out well the first time you can easily remove it and try again. Good luck.

milandro · 9th June 2022, 02:50 PM

I have seen other bugis in the NL wrapped with simple rope before (there is one for sale right now , not mine, but I won’t post a picture) , if there is no notch rope would slide off, maybe this was meant to help a toli toli to stay in place (would have been invisible).

This is another one witha simple Toli Toli which may have been adorning a kris like this ( from a museum collection)

David · 9th June 2022, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by milandro

I have seen other bugis in the NL wrapped with simple rope before (there is one for sale right now , not mine, but I won’t post a picture) , if there is no notch rope would slide off, maybe this was meant to help a toli toli to stay in place (would have been invisible).

This is another one witha simple Toli Toli which may have been adorning a kris like this ( from a museum collection)

Bugis keris are not my main pursuit, but no, i do not believe one needs to notch the wood to prevent a simple cord Passio Sumange from sliding off. In the first link about Passio Sumange that i posted above the first post shows a step-by-step photo series of someone tying a Passio Sumange onto a sheath and there does not appear to be any notched wood in that example. Perhaps someone with more experience with this can weigh in.

27th March 2022, 09:07 AM	#1
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 487	very nice indeed. I guess some amount of glue would be needed to have a tight fit and that may have ben natural glues in the past or artificial ones now. I am not much of a DIY but enjoy these things (at least seeing them) ,unfortunately specific information on the manufacture of anything kris related is very sketchy and for the most part in local languages. this is a video about something else but the wrapping technique ( especially the way he closes the wrap) can be very useful as an inspiration (it would be nice if there would be a way for this forum to embed videos so that they can be played directly ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnWD58gWY10 Last edited by milandro; 27th March 2022 at 09:49 AM. Reason: addition

8th June 2022, 10:06 AM	#2
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 487	I am coming back to this thread which I started because I’ve bought a Bugis kris which obviously has had, at some point, one of this wraps or ligatures. I am still wondering on how to make one in the best possible way for someone with two left hands. Attached Images

9th June 2022, 02:50 PM	#4
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 487	I have seen other bugis in the NL wrapped with simple rope before (there is one for sale right now , not mine, but I won’t post a picture) , if there is no notch rope would slide off, maybe this was meant to help a toli toli to stay in place (would have been invisible). This is another one witha simple Toli Toli which may have been adorning a kris like this ( from a museum collection) Attached Images

9th June 2022, 01:32 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	I not at all sure what was going on with this particular sheath Milandro. Whatever was here is not the same kind of wrap that i posted on my keris above, which i believe is meant to preserve the stem from wear and damage. I don't see any reason why the wood would need to be notched like this to place a wrap on the sheath. I suspect there is something non-traditional at work here. These grooves are rather inexpertly carved here. It may have been someone's idea of a repair and may have even been done outside of the culture. But it would certainly improve the look of this sheath to lay either a fiber or wire wrap into those grooves to fill them up. May suggestion would be to work with some kind of nature fiber cord. It is inexpensive and whatever you do would not be permanent so if it doesn't turn out well the first time you can easily remove it and try again. Good luck.