Bali keris with Sunggingan at The Met

[jagabuwana]

I agree Alan. I often wonder who they consult to do these kinds of appraisals. Then again perhaps consulting a person to do the tangguh thing might overcomplicate things for the keris-illiterate observer.

[A. G. Maisey]

I don't think we even need to get involved with tahgguh here JB.

In fact, in tangguh as I learnt it in Solo in there was no formal place for Banten in the system, but it was accepted that other tangguhs could exist, the only requirement being a consistency that defined the classification.

For example, over the last few years some people have been pushing a "tangguh Palembang". People from the keris sub-cultures of Jakarta & Surabaya I believe. However, if we accept the Solo idea of tangguh, there can be no "tangguh Palembang", simply because blade forms vary too widely in Palembang.

But with Banten, there is common thread running through the Palembang keris, just as there is with the other major tangguh classifications. So even without a tangguh, we can use that overall appearance to take an educated guess at point of origin.

[jagabuwana]

Yeah fair enough.

This brings me to a question. Let's use a Segaluh style keris as an example, simply because of how conspicuous they are.

We know that it is highly unlikely that even the oldest Segaluh keris was made during the time of Galuh. But does it indicate that it was most likely made in a particular place e.g. West Java?

I'm not sure if that question puts us into the "It depends on the appraisers belief" territory.

[A. G. Maisey]

Yes, I think so. I think that any keris made in Segaluh style would have been made in West Jawa.

I have not seen any keris in Segaluh style made in the modern era.

Segaluh keris do not rank on the honour scale :- they not from The Land of Jawa, they are from outside Jawa. In traditional thought they have no value as investment vehicles when compared with classifications of honour that are from within The Land of Jawa.

[jagabuwana]

Thanks Alan, makes sense.