1822 British Lancer Mameluke

Bryce · 5th February 2022, 09:13 PM

G'day Calien,
I am very interested in early British pipe-backs. What more can you tell us about your sword? Who made it and who owned it?
Cheers,
Bryce

Calien · 6th February 2022, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryce

G'day Calien,
I am very interested in early British pipe-backs. What more can you tell us about your sword? Who made it and who owned it?
Cheers,
Bryce

oh yeah sure, it was made by T Symmons out of London he was a sword cutler but was only active from 1815-1816. The sword belonged to a Hubert Tiballier, the son of Francois Huber de Tiballiert a French Colonel who was put in charge of taking Haiti back after the slave revolt, he failed and was on route to France to face trial (and probably the guillotine) when the ship was intercepted by the British and he was taken back to London where he professed his undying loyalty to the Bourbons(LOL). Two of his sons ended up joining the war against Napoleon one with the French Hunters on foot and the one that owned this saber with the 60th and then the 35th. The 35th was actually at waterloo (although it didnt see combat) but Hubert was not on the rolls so maybe he joined the 35th after.

Bryce · 6th February 2022, 11:38 PM

Thanks Calien,
Where did you find the information about Symmons? I have had a bit of a look for him, and have found a merchant and a brass founder, but neither at this address?
Cheers,
Bryce

Calien · 7th February 2022, 12:09 AM

I got a lot of info from a friend on Facebook, he runs Natural Acuity and has a ton of resources for British makers.

Radboud · 7th February 2022, 12:21 AM

Steve Langham’s database is an invaluable resource and can be found here:

https://naturalacuity.com/SwordSearc...d-02f606c626ed

If you click on the i button it brings you to the sources Steve has for his entry One observation though, Steve only lists dates he has a period source for, so in this instance, if T Symmons was using blades supplied by J J Runkel then he must have been operating before 1808 when Runkel ceased importing from Solingen.

Bryce · 7th February 2022, 02:56 AM

Thanks guys,
He isn't in the 1814 London PO Directory or the 1816 PO Directory. It suggests he may only have been in business between October 1814 and October 1815. I wonder where the comment about Runkel blades came from?
Is there anything distinguishing in the blade decoration or is it just generic?
Cheers,
Bryce

Calien · 7th February 2022, 03:20 AM

No nothing, lots of foliage but not even the GR on it. Pretty unique in that sense I'm guessing because he was French? Also yes Steve is doing a really amazing job with his database, I promised him I would write up an article about this sword but my writing skills suck as you can see lol.

7th February 2022, 12:09 AM	#4
Calien Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 38	I got a lot of info from a friend on Facebook, he runs Natural Acuity and has a ton of resources for British makers. Attached Images Last edited by Calien; 7th February 2022 at 03:19 AM.

7th February 2022, 12:21 AM	#5
Radboud Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: New Zealand Posts: 276	Steve Langham’s database is an invaluable resource and can be found here: https://naturalacuity.com/SwordSearc...d-02f606c626ed If you click on the i button it brings you to the sources Steve has for his entry One observation though, Steve only lists dates he has a period source for, so in this instance, if T Symmons was using blades supplied by J J Runkel then he must have been operating before 1808 when Runkel ceased importing from Solingen. Attached Images

5th February 2022, 09:13 PM	#1
Bryce Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: North Queensland, Australia Posts: 187	G'day Calien, I am very interested in early British pipe-backs. What more can you tell us about your sword? Who made it and who owned it? Cheers, Bryce

6th February 2022, 11:38 PM	#3
Bryce Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: North Queensland, Australia Posts: 187	Thanks Calien, Where did you find the information about Symmons? I have had a bit of a look for him, and have found a merchant and a brass founder, but neither at this address? Cheers, Bryce

7th February 2022, 02:56 AM	#6
Bryce Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: North Queensland, Australia Posts: 187	Thanks guys, He isn't in the 1814 London PO Directory or the 1816 PO Directory. It suggests he may only have been in business between October 1814 and October 1815. I wonder where the comment about Runkel blades came from? Is there anything distinguishing in the blade decoration or is it just generic? Cheers, Bryce

7th February 2022, 03:20 AM	#7
Calien Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 38	No nothing, lots of foliage but not even the GR on it. Pretty unique in that sense I'm guessing because he was French? Also yes Steve is doing a really amazing job with his database, I promised him I would write up an article about this sword but my writing skills suck as you can see lol.