Colichemardes

[urbanspaceman]

My apologies, I should have asked this:

N Tol may be straightforward enough but does anyone know what I. C. B. stands-for?

[Radboud]

Hello,

Of the two marked blades, only the Toledo is a colichmarde, and it has a later hilt. However the blade has always been a smallsword blade. I have posted it previously in this thread:Composite Smallsword

The second has the more common, later blade, and is the second one in this post: Another two smallswords

Not a marked blade, but this smallsword is a French Model 1767 Officers sword, and it carries a colichmarde blade. This indicates at the very least that they were still carried into the last quarter of the 18th Century:

French Model 1767 Officer’s smallsword

[urbanspaceman]

Wow! Two beautiful swords.

The first one (N Tol) takes us into territory that has been terribly overlooked; at least, if there is published research out there then I have not found it, but !!!!! as I am constantly declaring "I am an almost total novice" and have entered this world exclusively via Shotley Bridge.

This is unquestionably a colichemarde style, but being based on a flattened blade makes it - please correct me if I am in error - very early, probably early 1600s and not what I am researching, but...

This is, in itself, of considerable interest, as the colichemarde's fattened forte has generally been associated with trefoil smallswords, so may go some way towards establishing the history of the moniker i.e. was it called a colichemarde back then?

The concept of a fattened forte obviously begins well before the arrival of the hollowed blade, probably during the rapier/smallsword transitional period? Norman is frustratingly scant when it comes to blades; frustrating for me anyway because I have zero interest in hilts, and the beautiful reprint I bought was very expensive.

I suspect this is a Solingen blade marked thus for a particular market.

I have to confess, I have been on the lookout for one for some time.

The ICB blade is another matter altogether! Is it an 1800s product?

[Radboud]

Thank you, the inscription, N Tol, is very similar to the one pictured on page 211 of Armes Blanches Symbolisme Inscriptions by Jean L'Hoste.

But as you say it could well be a Solingen blade especially if sword production had halted in Toledo by that stage. I think it dates from the late 17th to mid 18th Century. The blade is robust and not a floppy court sword.

The ICB sword I believe is 1780s to 1800s but that’s only a guess based on the shape of the pas d’ane shell guard and the makers mark.

[Jim McDougall]

Radboud, outstanding details, examples and observations, which are important in studying these.
I have been involved in research on Spanish makers lately, and it seems Toledo virtually ceased production during the 17th c and by1700 was all but done. It was not until 1761 that Carlos III was determined to reopen but had great difficulty as all the makers were gone.
It was in production finally but mostly with bayonets, though some sword blades were being made. According to "Spanish Military Weapons in Colonial America 1700-1821" (Brinckerhoff & Chamberlain 1972.p.90) the Toledo made blades were subject to breakage, so Catalonian were preferred.

RDC Evans ("The Plug Bayonet") notes that the Real Fabrica de Toledo inscription was changed to note 'Artilleria' Fabrica de Toledo, when he directed the activity to that arm of the military.

In Aylward, it is noted that the original colichemarde type blades seem to have been ground down from hexagonal flat blades and by later in the 17th to the triangular (three edge hollow ground) form (c. 1680s?).
While these went out of fashion in civilian circles, the military still kept them, but by 1780s Aylward points out the return the the flat face blade.

One thing I am suspecting is that Bilbao, a port in the northern Basque country has something to do with small sword blades with the Burton (1884) reference calling that triangular section blade 'Biscayan' (Basque).
Their close proximity to the French border and Bay of Biscay offer some possibility I think of cross influence?

Peter, crossed posts!! Excellent notes on the blade form! Another conundrum

[Peter Hudson]

Hi Jim, and Seasons Greetings !!!

I was talking also to Keith at Urbanspaceman and referring to his opener as to where these strange blades were produced for which there is some proof that Shotley Bridge may well have been involved and knowing their dubious links with Solingen I can well see how. The Swedish spy noted there was a machine in Shotley Bridge so it is known they had the gear... and clearly they had the distribution potential and on a tasty blade like the Colichemarde they must have realised its potential as a good earner.

Naturally therefor, the question at #1 is not simple since if blades were being churned out as blanks in huge quantities where did these blanks go to? and since Colichemardes were in great demand who was finishing them and how much was a finished machine made blade compared to a hand made item..?
Regards,
Peter Hudson.

[Jim McDougall]

Thank you Peter, and wishing y'all a Happy New Year!

This hollow blade conundrum has been pretty baffling. Indeed, WHERE did they go? and there has to be something somewhere on this machine.

[Peter Hudson]

Just to slide this in ....The colichemarde blade configuration is sometimes credited probably wrongly to one Graf von Königsmark (perhaps Otto Wilhelm Königsmarck), owing to the two names' similarity in pronunciation. This is now generally believed to be not true.

The colichemarde first appeared about 1680 and was popular during the next 40 years at the royal European courts. It was especially popular with the officers of the French and Indian War period. George Washington was presented with one during his inauguration... joining 3 others in his collection. The widespread misapprehension that the colichemarde quickly ceased to be produced after 1720 dates to the opinion given by Sir Richard Burton in his Book of the Sword (1884). However, many securely dated colichemarde swords from as late as the 1770s can be found in collections. Thud the detail noted by Burton is not accurate.

This sword appeared at about the same time as the foil. However the foil was created for practicing fencing at court, while the colichemarde was created for duelling. It made frequent appearances in the duels of New Orleans...and many other places Duelling was considered an act of honour and to refuse would mean almost complete ruin and being shunned in high circles as it would be looked upon as cowardice . The pistol largely superseded this weapon.

I read somewhere that the sword was not initially known as a Colchemarde but a squeezed blade short sword.

However it is my opinion that the Colichemarde was a fashion statement worn at Court under a short court coat... A new fashion in those days and to which the sword matched it in style.

Peter Hudson.

[Radboud]

Originally Posted by urbanspaceman

My apologies, I should have asked this:

N Tol may be straightforward enough but does anyone know what I. C. B. stands-for?

I.C.B or sometimes I.G.B is believed to be the mark for Johann and Clemens Boegel of Solingen.